Principles In Liberty

What a concept

2011-08-31T21:05:00.000-07:00

Washington State Constitutions

2011-08-31T20:53:00.000-07:00

Many many years ago I took the time to put together the evidence I had brought to my attention by some good gentlemen. I published it all on a website called www.crtf.org but that site has since lost its domain registration and no longer exists. The link for this post is where I have found my information coppied by another fine gentleman.

Enjoy.

Wes Olson Sermon 1 on Romans 13

2011-08-24T08:33:00.000-07:00

I wanted to share what Wes Olson has been preaching on the same subject as my previous post. Wes is an elder at His Grace Fellowship that meets at the ALACCA campgrounds in Harpster, ID. This is the sermon he preached last Sunday and the first part of 3 that I think should be well worth the read.

Romans 13:1-6

1. Introduction

In the Book of Romans, Paul has just spent 11 chapters talking about some of the foundational doctrines of the Christian Faith. Most of which is laying the foundation of how we are to restore a right relationship with God. Then starting in chapter 12 he begins laying the foundations of how we are to have right relationships with one another.

We tend to think “There is the doctrinal section and now here is the practical section.” There is the head section and the heart section. That is a somewhat irritating division in my mind. That gives you the idea that somehow, doctrine is not practical. But really, it’s all doctrine.

1) Three favorite words

I’ll remind you again about three of my favorite words: doctrine, dogma and orthodoxy. They are three of my favorite words because they are words loaded with strong emotional overtones that are meant to evoke a negative reaction beyond what the words actually mean. That being the case, I tend to embrace them for their original and literal meaning to use them in order to rescue them from the clutches of those who would deny us the words that are rightly ours.

• Doctrine: literally means teaching…a body of information or teaching. It is related to the word “doctor” one who teaches.

• Orthodoxy: literally straight teaching related to the word orthodontics

• Dogma- literally “that which seems good” or “that which one thinks is true” related to the word “decent”. Literally “decent thinking”.

THUS: Maybe instead of making the false divisions of doctrinal and practical we should have the division of “Doctrine expounded and doctrine applied.”

2. Read Rom 13:1-6

My objective

My objective here is not to persuade anyone here about one side or the other. Really that is not what our congregation is about. Most families come here not with a blank slate in their hands hoping that the man from the pulpit will write something on it and straighten their lives out and tell them what the Bible says. Most families here are led by very strong men with strong convictions about these and other issues and take their relationship with God, their family and one another very seriously.

There is no way to convince this diverse of a people in this congregation or in this nation as a whole, to think uniformly on a topic this powerful. You couldn’t get Jefferson and Adams to agree completely and you aren’t going to get us to agree completely either. Those who hold to my view will be shaking their heads. Those who disagree with my view will be shaking their heads.

My primary objective is for us to get through Romans 13 in 3 weeks with the congregation intact. My secondary objective is to get through Romans 13 in some coherent fashion…rightly dividing the word as best as I am able. My third objective is to get through Romans 13 in some coherent fashion representing not only my beliefs on the topic but also giving some time to the view that opposes mine, both of which are well represented in this congregation.

The text directly raises some thorny issues:

What is civil government and why is it here?

What is our relationship to civil government?

What is the responsibility of civil government?

Is it ever appropriate to resist an evil civil magistrate and is there Biblical precedent for this? Is there historical precedence in the church for this?

If so, to what extent does God allow us or even require us to resist an evil magistrate if at all?

The text indirectly raises some additional issues:

How do we interpret scripture? What hermeneutic do we and should we use?

How are we to interpret Paul in general and this passage in particular?

What else does the scripture say on this subject?

In the three days I have I want to talk about several issues:

1. Why politics and religion are such volatile subjects.

2. Three areas of politics/religion that Romans confronts us with.

3. What Romans 13 is specifically, overtly saying to us.

4. What Romans 13 is not specifically saying but certainly implying

5. How are we to interpret scripture – buy what rules do we interpret

6. How do we govern ourselves as a society – by what rules do we govern?

1. Politics and Religion

Among the categories that cause the greatest division among people are religion and politics. We often hear that at dinner parties and gatherings, places there two topics in particular should be scrupulously avoided because they stir such great emotions.

I have a theory as to why they cause such great emotion. Here it is: Politics and religion hit at the core of one of the most important issues of our being human: our freedom.

Not just freedom to do what we want but also these issues more than any other, call us out of ourselves to a life of self-sacrifice even to the point of death. When it comes to that level of commitment – the ideas and ideals that we are willing to die for and ask others to die for – well that is a step beyond our mere personal freedom, well it’s no wonder why these two issues become so potentially volatile.

• Politics

Politics is ultimately about the governing, the control, the boundaries that men voluntarily and non-voluntarily put on one another so we can have an ordered society. Politics directly influences the degree of freedom we have as individuals. In other words, politics is about giving up something for something else. We give up a degree of individual freedom so that we can have a right relationship with one another in society.

• Religion

Religion is an explanation of the cause, nature and purpose of human life AND that involves accountability to a supreme being. It answers the questions why we are here and what you’re supposed to be doing and who we are ultimately accountable to.

Ironically, religion also is about the governing, the control and the boundaries put on mankind, in this case, from the Creator himself. Once again, religion deals with our freedom as individuals. In other words, religion is about giving up something for something else. We give up a degree of individual freedom so that we can have a right relationship with the creator in eternity.

• The result

We do not like constraint. The opening chapters in the book of Genesis are an illustration of how madly devoted and compelled we are to have complete freedom. In a narrative describing probably the mildest form of restraint ever placed on mankind, God tells the first man and woman they have complete freedom. EXCEPT, don’t eat this one fruit and that one constraint was too much for them. As a result we lost nearly every freedom we had or hoped to have.

Religion and politics are ultimately about the rules on how mankind can live in right relationship with one another and with God.

Romans and Relationships

In fact, if you think about it, so much of the Bible is about relationships. One could say the entire Bible is about God restoring a right relationship between man and God, between man and other men and between man and himself. That’s what the story of redemption is about

Romans politics and religion

In the book of Romans the tension of religion and politics can, I think, be sharply seen in the clash of at least 3 political kingdoms mentioned in Romans and where we traditionally feel the conflict of those ideas.

1. The Christian’s relationship to the Kingdom of God. Specifically the mechanics of how we are saved and maintain our salvation. Specifically the debate known as the Calvanist/Armenianism debate. We see this particularly in Romans

2. The Christian’s relationship to the Kingdom of Israel. Specifically, does God have a future in mind for national Israel and what should be our response to that?

3. The Christian’s relationship to the kingdoms of this world. That is apparently the question the Romans were asking Paul, “Now that we are part of God’s kingdom, what should be our response to our former earthly allegiances?”

It is to that third kingdom and the resulting clash that Paul addresses in Romans 13 and to which we now turn our attention.

2. What the text is plainly saying

I some ways this section is the most important of the three kingdoms. It’s because we read this section and start coming up with all the “yeah but what abouts” and we miss the real point of what is being said. And that’s probably because what is being said is potentially unpleasant and tends to strike at the core of our flesh: we kick against the authorities that are over us.

Nobody in this room I think, would have written Romans 13, certainly not in the fashion we have it here. In the time remaining today, I want to set forth to us plainly what Paul is saying in this text. Next week, I want to talk about rules of interpretation as to how I arrive at a position of Christian Resistance against evil or illegal magistrates. I want to talk about the hermeneutical principles that got me there and a bit on the historical differences between the two camps

Now all of that is important and so is the plain text before us.

• V1.

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

The first observation is that which is most obvious. Paul is telling the Christian in Rome that when it comes to their relationship to civil authorities, they are to be subject to them. Now that is not all he says and I do not believe that is all means and I do not believe he means it in an unqualified fashion. But one thing for sure - what he does mean is that Christians are to live lives that are not characterized as rebellious or constantly in a state of fighting and kicking against the authorities but are characterized as people of submission to authority.

1 Peter 2:11-17

Peter tells us similarly in 1 Peter 2:11-17. The objective is to bring glory to God that no one can justly speak evil of (though he specifically says they will speak evil of us). He says we are to have behavior that is honorable. Honorable behavior is one that, on the whole, is submissive to authority, and, as Peter defines it here in 16, as free people who do not use their liberty as a cloak for vice. That is what submission and honorable behavior looks like.

Back to Romans 13

The context of this is in service to God as pointed out in Romans 12:1. This is our minimal or reasonable service or worship to God. We are a people who submit to the authority.

I am going to tip a bit of my hand here and let you in early on a little secret that I think is going on here behind the text.

• A possible Political move

At the end of this letter, Paul specifically says hello to the longest list of people he mentions in any of his letters and most of them appear to be Roman citizens Andronicus, Junia, Apelles, Herodian, Olympas etc.

In addition when Paul was at Rome writing his letter to the Philippians, he specifically mentions that all the saints here greet you but especially those who are of Caesar’s household.

Further, it is clear that Paul is concerned for how the message is being presented especially in Rome as he states as much at the end of Acts when he arrives in Rome he stats explaining himself and the message to the leaders of the Jews in Rome but they say, “No we haven’t heard any bad report about you or of this message at all.”

Therefore, it is my suspicion, and it’s only a suspicion based on the internal evidence I just presented and of how Romans 13 presents itself to me, that Paul wrote this letter with the clear understanding that its contents would find its way to the governing authorities, in Rome, to those who were over all those saints listed in the end of the epistle and even to the household of Caesar himself. That is why here, more than any other epistle, he mentions how a Christian is to behave himself in front of the civil authorities. I see Paul has at least three reasons for doing so.

1. He wants to instruct the Christians in the big picture idea, of how they are to behave in front of civil authorities. They are to submit. They are to submit because they want to please God and not bring judgment on themselves and because they are to submit to all of God’s ministers.

2. Second Paul has always wanted to preach the gospel in Rome and I think he is preparing the way before him so there will be as little resistance and trouble as possible when he ultimately arrives. He is saying, “You have no reason to suspect us Christians as we are people who understand authority, know the source of authority and submit to authority. You’ll get no trouble from us.” And he just leaves it there.

3. Third and in someway the most important is that Paul, I think, is sending a message to the civil authorities themselves. I find this section of the epistle to be a little over-the-top in defining what the role of a civil authority is if this is merely going to those who are under the authority. This section sounds more like a job description than it does an employee manual. I think he is telling the civil authorities: “Look, we are called to submit to you, but here’s why:

1. You are appointed into your position by God.

2. You would have no authority unless God had given it to you.

3. You represent the ordinances of God. Your job is to reflect those ordinances.

4. Your job is to punish evil works and reward good workers.

5. Your job is to carry out God’s justice in such a way that those who do good can live in peace and those who do evil are afraid of you AND God.

6. You work for God. You are God’s minister to do good. Literally, you are God’s diakanos His deacon…his servant to do the tasks appointed to you.

7. You have been given the power of life and death but not to wield this vainly or carelessly or without a cause. You have been given this sword to carry out the will of God, to avenge His justice, His will, to execute His wrath, not yours.

8. You collect taxes because you are God’s deacon and you are to be attentive, earnest and diligent to this very thing.

2. Ultimately this can be seen in the opening three words Paul states… “Let every soul…” I think Paul would contend that this means the Christian, the non-Christians, those under authority and those who represent authority. Every soul must be subject to authority

And I believe that it is important that we teach these principles to our children. We are really good on the “yeah buts” but we are real weak on the issue of honor to whom honor.

In summary what did we look at:

The ideas or doctrine orthodoxy and dogma

We should understand that issues of politics and religion hit at the core of our freedom and our responsibilities as people

Romans talks about many of these political/religious issues

Most importantly, Paul laid out for us that we have a duty and a responsibility to God and every duty and responsibility flows from that. And this includes civil authority. That all authority comes from God, that we need to submit to it.

Next week I hope to

Cover a brief history of Christian nonresistance

A brief history of Christian resistance

Some of the rules by which we interpret scripture

Summarize my interpretation of this first part of Romans 13.

On romans 13 - the quest for lawful authority

2011-08-14T20:36:00.000-07:00

I endeavor to make every post to this blog of value - so naturally it's been awhile since I last posted.
This posting is a document I have been working on for months meant to be presented to my local church in the form of a sermon. However having been restricted to 30 minutes to deliver a sermon on such a difficult topic as Romans 13 I have been relagated to posting this for people to review and consider.
Why my thoughts should be of any value on such a deep and well mulled over subject is certainly questionable. I endeavor here to take a stab at a wall that is much higher than I.

I found that my original posting of this was difficult for some to print so I will simply reference a slightly revised .docx file of this sermon.

Sandy

A proposal for a replacement for government

2011-06-19T07:54:00.000-07:00

I feel finally ready to release this brain-child to the world.

The concept is simple - why not create a social network to replace government? Such a thing these days is badly needed but governments themselves are not very open to the idea of putting themselves out of business. No dubt wars will be fought before such things become reality - but it doesn't hurt to start thinking about this now.

With that, here follows the text of a document I have constructed on the idea. My hope is to some day implement a prototype for people to play with.

Sandy
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Micro Republics

A replacement for traditional government structures.

Introduction

With the rise of the World Wide Web, a powerful social force has been born. The legitimate function of government is the administration of justice, the protection of the weak and poor, and the protection of its people from external and internal enemies. It seems quite possible to create a social network for the administration of government that can far out-perform existing government frameworks and hopefully protect us all from usurpers and defrauders at the collective level.

The goal of such a system would be to disperse power as broadly as possible by soliciting the participation of the maximum number of people for short periods of time on specific tasks. By removing the cumbersome and abuse prone system of law generation by a legislative body and instead depositing the law into the conscience of randomly selected juries, the rules begin to truly reflect the beliefs of the people. By restricting jury participation to people that have met a minimum bar of qualifications, irresponsible and incompetent individuals are hopefully prevented from perverting the system over time.

Functional Elements of a Micro Republic

A truly natural government is one of the people, by the people and for the people. The essential functions of a government for a free people are really quite simple and are the same at all levels.

· Certification of:

o Documents

o Individuals

o Relationships between documents and individuals

· Storage of and access to public records

· Management of officer and jury selection

· Management of cases of dispute

· Management of credit and money

· Accountability for all members

· Administration of force where necessary

To maintain the government within its proper boundaries there must be in place checks and balances and accountability of each member to the republic and to each other. In this design, these checks are provided by lot selected juries.

Members of a micro republic must be people of integrity that can be relied upon to support the republic, administer justice fairly and respect the rights of others. Citizens of such a republic must meet a minimum bar of competency and interest, judged by a jury, to be accepted as such. The micro republic is designed to use the people often to perform government functions thus helping to keep them responsible and familiar with natural and common law practices.

Weaknesses of existing governmental systems

Most governments are merely systems of control administered by a minority of people over others. Students of Natural Law have attempted to improve this with the creation of republican forms of government using written laws and social contracts, division of powers and checks and balances to attempt to keep government inefficient and self regulating in order to protect the rights of its citizens.

The problems that seem to persist throughout history even in the best republics are:

· Corruption of the language and the law over time.

· Finding an equitable method of representation and suffrage.

· Judicial Sophistry also causing corruption of the law.

· Guaranteeing protection from foreign powers without growth or corruption.

· Long term containment of the size, cost and reach of government.

One aspect of government in general demonstrates why it tends to corrupt over time. That aspect is the inherent specialization of government management into the hands of a minority of people. The kinds of people that are attracted to government work are the power seeking and the lazy. Because the average citizen naturally has little interest in the workings government, over time, less and less of the people in government represent the real social fabric of the citizenry. In addition to this natural tendency, powerful interests, both internal and external, tend to attempt to grow and corrupt government in order to use it to their own ends. This process of attack from within and without uses the most advanced methods devised to corrupt the government and citizenry. Once achieved, the government becomes a powerful tool of the few over the many. Such processes typically span multiple generations and at first proceed at a pace so slow as to be imperceptible by the majority of citizens.

A possible solution

What is needed is broad participation of society in government operations at all times with a fully transparent process which tends to support knowledge of the principles of Natural Law and self government. The body that historically epitomizes the participation of the citizen in government affairs is the Jury.

Juries are difficult to corrupt because they are chosen by lot, only meet for a specific task and for a short period of time.

Juries are large enough (12 people) to represent a good spectrum of the society while being small enough to efficiently conduct the administration of justice.

Juries are selected by lot making them independent of bias and more likely to represent the average citizen’s perspectives.

Juries are composed of non-specialists who rely on common sense, existing documents and evidence to make judgments.

Juries are not as susceptible to bribes as are judges and other government agents because they do not derive their livelihood from doing government services, their services are restricted to that of a single case, and the duration of their work is of a very short period of time – ideally only a few weeks at most.

Juries cannot tolerate unclear and voluminous law or conflicting precedent cases and will instead tend to judge with more common sense than judges do.

The weakness of juries is their inexperience. However with proper tools available to the jurors via the micro republic’s web resources, they should be able to quickly look up pertinent law and cases relevant to their current case, making the process of rendering a consistent judgment attainable without too much effort in most cases.

Law on the other hand tends to corrupt over time with language and bulk and complexity despite strict requirements as to passage, form and publication. Under a jury, law becomes a recommendation rather than a mandate. A system of minimal written law where a jury has total power over the plaintiff, the defendant, and the law and precedent cases with accountability for their decision yields a more common sense administration of justice. Because juries over time will gain more relevant past cases to consult, it is expected that a more stable system of government will also result over time.

Bad juries can only affect one case. The offending jury can itself be held responsible for its actions by another jury should this become necessary.

Any citizen can virtually call a jury to analyze a complaint at very little cost. The plaintiff can however be judged guilty by the jury should the complaint be frivolous or harassing in nature.

By holding jurors subject to being brought before another jury should their decision be irresponsible, all parties involved are held accountable.

Such a system removes the unjust powers of the written law and the legislator and holds it in check to the spirit of truth as seen by the jury for the case.

With the process of selecting and calling a jury well understood and automated, it becomes an easy affair to apply the jury to all kinds of jobs requiring judgment that used to be performed by elected or appointed officials. The people empower and call the jury and the jury moves the republic one step at a time.

Republic rules

The Micro Republic is a web based system of software that is open sourced and freely shared for any body politic to use as it sees fit. It is assumed that the system will be run within a VPN for security and that every precaution will be taken to ensure the integrity of the software and system components.

The basic unit of power is the jury which is called by the system whenever a plaintiff or the system itself requires one. The jury meets in a virtual sense and can often accomplish all its work without the need to physically meet. The system provides a secure form of communication via the website itself. Citizens can be notified by the system when changes happen that affect them or require their attention via email. Once the user has signed into the website he/she can then obtain what information is needed and perform communication in a secure manner.

Rules

The system consists of the following rules which it is encoded to enforce. These may be modified with newer versions of the software.

1. Micro-republics are established by a founder.

2. A critical number of users are necessary to create a quorum to create a jury.

3. Two witnesses who are citizens are necessary to validate all facts.

4. Citizens join the republic with jury review and approval.

5. All users must be verified as real by at least two existing.

6. All citizens must have on file a minimum amount biometric data (a photo, finger prints, eye scan, etc.) to uniquely identify them as unique physical human beings. Citizens meet a higher standard than users.

7. Potential jurors are citizens that meet founding document criteria for a juror and must be approved by a jury. Jurors meet a higher standard than citizens.

8. A founding jury may consist of founder approved verified users.

9. Verified users are users who’s identity information has been verified by two or more citizens or founder approved verified users and who’s email has been verified by the system.

10. Juries may be called automatically by the system or by any citizen of the micro-republic for any reason.

11. The founding jury creates the founding documents of the micro-republic.

12. The founder validates the initial quorum of users who thereafter validate each other.

13. The initial quorum of provisional citizens selects the founding jury.

14. The founding jury approves provisional non-jury citizens to become full citizens and full jurors.

15. Founding jury members do not become full citizens until approved by a non-founding jury.

16. All citizens must have a trail of validation that traces back to the founder. (no independent co-authorized subgroups are possible.)

17. Once a full jury of full jurors is established, the founder no longer holds any special powers. He simply remains the top nexus for validation of all members of the republic.

18. Juries hold all power over the case, plaintiff, defendant, precedent and the law.

19. There is no appeal to a jury judgment. All jury judgments are final for the case in question.

20. A defendant cannot be tried more than once for the same offense.

21. A jury may hold the plaintiff or defendant or both or neither guilty.

22. A jury is unlimited in what judgment and sentence is so determines.

23. A jury may bring to a case any extenuating evidence it so desires, even that not directly related to the specific charge. Anyone before a jury thus becomes fully accountable for their history and actions.

24. Compliance with jury judgments is voluntary but coercion for enforcement of those judgments can be accomplished by outlawry. While a person is under judgment of a jury he/she may not exercise the privileges of citizenship until that sentence is carried out and the jury releases that person from obligation status.

25. Any jury or member of a jury may be indicted by a plaintiff, defendant, or an agent of either for his/her/their judgment of a case. This kind of counter suit holds the jurors responsible for their decision but the counter suit cannot affect the outcome of the initial case in question.

26. A jury may require one or more public, physical meetings of the jury, plaintiff and defendant to collect evidence or pronounce a judgment and execute sentencing.

27. Any punishment is generally carried out immediately upon public dissemination of judgment.

28. A jury has at its disposal the entire wealth of the republic to enforce its decisions as necessary.

29. All jury pronouncements must be made public at the time of judgment of the case.

30. All jury proceedings are recorded and kept by the micro-republic.

31. All jury proceedings become public upon the pronouncement of a judgment but are private to the jury until such time.

32. No document ever having become public is destroyed. All public versions of a document are kept for the life of the republic and are open to searches and reading by all citizens of the republic.

33. No public document may be made private.

34. Documents may not be destroyed unless strictly private for the duration of their lifespan.

35. Only private documents may be encrypted for security.

36. All citizens must sign the entrance contract established by the founding documents and approve of all founding documents at the time of joining.

37. Founding documents can only be changed by jury approval but the changes are only binding on citizens that have ratified those changes. Thus, multiple versions of the founding documents may apply to different persons. Changing founding documents is highly discouraged by this policy. It is thus critical that founding documents be well thought out and only contain basic philosophical ideas that hold the republic on its desired course. It may be better to start a new republic than to change its founding documents unless full ratification can be achieved.

38. Personal identification information is never removed from the system so that new members cannot be separated from past membership history.

39. Citizens may leave the republic at any time provided they are not under judgment of a jury or exercising the duties of a juror

40. Rejoining a republic requires the same approval steps as required for a new member.

41. Ambassadors cannot be jurors.

42. Foreign Ambassadors cannot exercise the rights of a full citizen of the micro republic.

43. A non-citizen (jurors are also citizens) can only read and search globally public documents.

44. Only owners or persons assigned by the owner can view private documents.

45. Citizens are free to transfer credits between each other.

46. Credits are created by the republic and are never destroyed.

47. Credits are created as payment for jury duties only. Thus the only tax on the republic is inflation of these credits.

Persons

A person is a living breathing human being with the single exception of the republic persona which represents the entire micro republic. Persons have the following information associated with them:

Name

The name is simply the way a person wishes to be addressed by the republic. It holds no legal identification value like the biometric data. It must be unique across all persons in the micro-republic.

ID

Each citizen is assigned a unique ID number which is determined at the time of first sign in. This number is used internally to associate persons with documents and other republic entities.

STatus

From a micro-republic point of view, a person is in one of the following states:

· Guest – when a person gives his email address to apply for citizenship in the micro-republic. This is obtained at initial sign-in. Guests generally only have access to globally public document.s

· Validated Guest – a Guest who’s email has been verified by the person clicking on a link sent to the email address of the account – the email address is proven to be legitimate.

· User – two or more citizens of the micro-republic have verified that the users biometric and address/contact information are correct and unique. Any citizen that renounces or is removed from citizen status revert s to a verified user which has non-citizen status.

· Founder – the status of the first person to sign into the micro-republic. There can only be one founder in the republic. All person validations in the republic must have a validation path back to the founder to have full citizen status whether or not the founder is still a citizen of the republic. The founder is also granted special permissions during the initial stages of republic formation until a sufficient number of citizens exist to man juries. After formation, the founder is only identified for the purposes of validating verification chains. This state is in addition to other states and acts more as a flag.

· Founding Citizen – a verified user who’s verification chain links to the founder and the founder has approved them for founding citizenship. This state is dropped once the republic leaves the formation state.

· Citizen – a Verified User who has been approved for citizenship by a non-founding jury.

· Juror – A Citizen who has been approved to serve as a potential Juror by a Jury or Founding Jury.

· Founding Juror – a founding citizen who has been selected to be a member of the founding jury.

· Ambassador – A Juror who has been approved for ambassadorship by a Jury. Ambassadors are members of multiple micro-republics or are Citizens of other nations that can act as representatives for the micro-republic. They are used to assist jurors in cross-republic negotiations and treaties. A federated form of government could be connected via ambassadors.

· Outlaw – Any Citizen that refuses to comply with any jury judgment against them obtains this status. Outlaws are not allowed access to the micro-republic’s services and are not protected by the laws of the republic. Credit usage is suspended for outlaws. All republic members are encouraged not to do any business with an outlaw. Outlaws may only be reinstated into the republic by a jury confirmation of submission to all judgments against them.

Office

Persons can be elected to an office by a Jury or by an open election, depending on the requirements of the office. Offices must conform to requirements of the founding documents which should define the duration, limits and requirements for the office. Offices should be few and of short duration if possible and should only be created where jury oversight is impossible.

Biometric Data

Biometric data consists of unique and comparable data derived from physical characteristics of a person. Biometric data must be verifiable to a person for the life of the person and impossible for another person to counterfeit. It must also be unique for every person including twins. It may consist of several different sets of data combined to meet these criteria.

Users must have on file biometric data (typically a fingerprint or eye scan) that uniquely proves them to be physically who they claim to be. Once biometric data is submitted to the micro-republic by a person it can never be changed or removed. Biometric data is saved for the life of the republic regardless of the status of the person.

If it is not possible to reliably produce unique biometric data for persons then there will be a heavy dependence upon the process of becoming a citizen to ensure adequate examination by real people to verify the person. In this case, the name or an assigned number becomes the unique identifier for each person.

In rare cases it may become necessary to update biometric data (ie loss of body parts that were used for verification) by the approval of a jury.

Profile

A person’s profile is any contact data or identification data the person wishes to make public to the republic.

Email address

This is the primary email address used to communicate with the person. It is used by the micro-republic for official notification and communication with the person. Citizens are responsible to this email address for legal purposes. All email is processed within the micro-republic system – normal SMTP email is not used by the micro-republic for official communications.

There is only one fictitious person in the micro republic representing the republic itself. Only Jury’s can act on behalf of the republic persona outside of standard processes which are hard coded into the system.

Documents

A document is simply a file of data held by the micro-republic. Documents are search-indexed, optionally encrypted and compressed for storage. Documents can me in many formats but generally follow HTML or plain text conventions.

Read Status

Documents may have a read status of private, public or global public. Documents that are public are read-only to all citizens of the republic. Documents that are global-public are read-only to any guest. Private documents can only be seen or changed by the owner. The owner may add access keys to persons allowed reading or writing of the document – these become document users but ownership is not changed. Ownership of a document may be transferred to another user by the owner.

Write Status

Same as read status but for write permissions. Documents with multiple person write access are collaborative.

Checked out status

If a document is checked out by a person for writing purposes, it cannot be written to by others even with write permissions.

Name

All documents must have a name unique among all documents owned by a person. The name of a document cannot be changed once the document is created and is used for reference by other objects of the micro-republic.

Author

The author is the name of the creator or original owner of the document. The author cannot be changed.

Owner

The owner is the person currently most-responsible for the document. It may change over time if necessary. Owners must have at least user citizenship status to create or take ownership of a document. Owners have permission to change changeable aspects of a document.

Type

Documents can have one of the following types assigned to them:

Memo – a simple document with no extra attributes associated with it.

Attestation – a document stating or certifying any fact. It must have verifications from at least two other citizens to hold legal status.

Place – a document holding a lat-long-altitude set of numbers describing an exact location on earth.

Deed – a document describing a piece of physical property on earth. It contains a list of place values listed in clock-wise-from-the-sky order delineating the boundary of a piece of property. Deeds must be properly attested and filed with the micro-republic for them to hold legal value. A deed is a specialized form of an Attestation.

Verification – an attestation that links a person with a document indicating that the person attests to the genuineness of the document. All documents used as evidence in a case require at least 2 verifications from different persons.

Founding – a document containing guidelines for juries written at the creation of the republic. Founding documents must be filed topically by the micro-republic. Founding documents become owned by the republic pseudo person and can only be changed by jury process. Founding documents do not carry authority with them except as enforced by juries.

Collection – a document referencing other documents – like a folder.

Case Collection – a forum document used to document the process of a jury case.

Communication - a document sent between persons of the micro-republic. This is the element that supports the micro-republic’s email system. Communications are generally private but may be used as evidence in a jury case but must be made public by the owner before such use is possible.

Profile – a document that holds data used to identify a person. Ambassadors can use their person document to copy their attributes to other micro-republics.

Backup – a document that is an encrypted and compressed copy of the entire micro-republic including source code and documents. Backups can be created by any citizen of the republic and can be compared with other backups or with the current state of the republic. Differences can be analyzed to detect tampering of the republic. The republic automatically creates backups and compares them periodically to detect tampering. A tampered republic issues a priority 1 warning to all citizens of the republic and indicates a security breach in the republic. Backups can be partial or whole.

Snapshot – a document that is a smaller version of a backup. This cannot be used to restore a republic’s data state but it can be used to compare with other snapshots or backups to detect tampering. Snapshots can be partial or complete.

Lot – a document generated by the system using the precise (to the millisecond) time of generation and a standard algorithm to select a random number from a given set of bounds. This selection method is used to select jurors for the jury pool of the republic. A lot is strictly deterministic based on the time of its calling.

Jury Selection - a document that takes a lot document and applies it to the jury pool in existence at the time of the lot to form a jury of 12 persons.

Election – a document that records all votes and aspects of an election for an office of the republic.

Solicitation – a document used to request help from other citizens for any purpose.

Jury Call – a document used to call and form a Jury.

Judgment – a document used by a jury to declare a judgment upon a person and to document the conformance of the judged party to the requirements of the judgment.

Group – a document consisting of a collection of persons.

Image – a document that is a still image of something. The micro-republic supports the following formats: PNG, JPEG, GIF.

Video – mpeg1 and mpeg2 video files are supported.

Audio – mp3 files are supported.

Procedures

The micro republic has encoded within it the processing of the following described procedures.

1. Republic Creation

a. Founder Login

The first user to log onto a micro-republic automatically becomes the founder. The founding citizen is responsible for creation of the republic’s founding documents, for recruiting the founding members of the republic, and to assist the founding members to form a founding jury with co-authentication of each other to establish the lawful kernel of the micro-republic.

b. Founding Membership creation

Founding members can only join if invited by the founder via an email with a member signup key URL. A micro-republic must have at least 11 founding members and a founder to be created.

c. Founding Member Authentication

Once the founding members have joined the micro-republic they must authenticate each other so that there are at least two affidavits of authenticity for each member including the founding member. This allows for human verification of biometric and profile data of each member.

d. Founding Jury Creation

The founder then calls for the creation of the founding jury which then has the official business of creating the founding documents.

e. Founding Document Creation

The jury forms such founding documents as:

i. Core laws for republic operations IAW basic maxims of law.

ii. Core requirement documents for citizens and jurors to agree to in order to be accepted as citizens or potential jurors.

iii. Any other pertinent documents such as republic jurisdictions, land boundaries, etc.

f. Founding Member to Jury Citizen conversion

Once the business of the founding jury is completed including all members signing (and cross witnessing) the founding documents necessary to become a citizen and juror, all founding members and the founder are converted to non-founding normal citizens with appropriate rank (user, citizen or juror) based on what founding documents have been signed.

All citizens of the micro-republic must then ratify the founding documents by signing all of the documents created by the founding jury.

Every new citizen must ratify the founding documents by signing them, agreeing to be morally bound to follow the documents.

A republic is now born.

2. Jury Selection

Juries are created by the request of a plaintiff who must be a citizen or juror of the republic. Once requested, the system uses the date and exact time of the request along with the current eligible juror person pool to select jury members via a random yet deterministic process. This process is fully documented in the jury formation documents created for the called for case so that anyone can see that the process was done legitimately and it can be audited. Person pools can be reproduced at a later time using stored logs which become part of the republic’s permanent records.

Selected jurors are notified via email and must follow founding document procedures for processing the case.

3. Self Audit

Of critical importance is the ability of the micro-republic to audit itself. This involves a check of data logs to verify that all information in the database lines up with log entries and that all log entries and actions meet republic maxims. Audits use snapshots or backups to check activity between any two historical points in the republic. A self audit occurs at a frequency specified by the founder and amendable by any jury assigned with the task of updating founding documents. By design, all data in the database is linked with CRC checks with records and previous CRC checks to make tampering of data extremely difficult. The CRC checks create a gridlock that all data entries must conform to pass security checks.

4. Site Backup

A site backup can be made by any republic citizen and contains the ability to be applied to an un-initialized micro-republic website to create a copy of the original micro-republic including all persons and documents in the republic. The restored site will have a different unique serial number so members know it’s a copy. This is a way of protecting the republic from malicious attack by providing for frequent and dispersed copies of all records needed to recreate the republic should the need arise.

5. Site Snapshot

A site snapshot is similar to a backup but does not contain sufficient information for restoring the site. It is used for self or manual auditing and generally just includes key database CRC values.

6. Document Export

This is an encrypted export process used to transfer documents from one micro-republic to another. These are typically done by ambassadors for intra-republic business. It allows a secure method of cross republic document transfer.

7. Document Import

This is the complement function to a document export and is used to create documents for a micro-republic that came from another micro-republic or other outside source.

8. Case Initiation

A plaintiff can easily call for a jury to handle a case. The plaintiff creates a complaint document and this becomes the initiating element for the jury selection process to process the complaint. Juries can hold the plaintiff guilty for misrepresenting the facts or for frivolous jury calling. There may or may not be defendants in a case. All republic business is conducted by juries and must be started by case initiation.

9. Document Search

Full text searching of all public republic documents is inherent in the system and usable by citizens and jurors. Documents may have keywords associated with them for searching. Searches can also be filtered by various document attributes such as persons or types.

10. Person Search

Similar to a document search, all persons can be searched by biometric data or by profile data or by documents associated with them.

Suggestions

It is impractical for a republic to remain in existence for very long simply because it generates an ever increasing number of documents in its normal running. To keep the system from failure due to overload, it is suggested that periodically a new republic be created and members of the old republic join the new one and start over. The old republic remains intact for historical reasons and ambassadors can be used to bring needed documents forward to the new republic from the old.

The name republic is a misnomer due to the fact that this system shuns written law. Perhaps a better name can be found.

Principles In Liberty 58 - Reversing Roe v. Wade the Wrong Way

2011-05-24T19:17:00.000-07:00

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0:26 The Petition to reverse Roe v. Wade
0:55 Senator Watkins or something like that sent me the petition but I can't find him listed as a current senator. I did some diging and see that Rand Paul supports this petition as well!
1:10 Reading of the petition.
1:37 Ref: 14th Amendment

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

4:14 Citizenships - there are two.
4:31 Person is a red flag
6:10 The two hats congress wears
6:43 State citizen blog
8:45 Residence vs Domicile
9:19 Congress defines when life begins???
9:57 Without God's moral law, government becomes god.

I found out after recording this short podcast that Rand Paul supports this legislation. I could be mistaken in my interpretation of the 14th Amendment but I think not. It is sad that even our best reps don't really understand state vs federal citizenship.
Sandy

An open reply to Senator Mike Crapo

2011-03-02T22:47:00.000-08:00

It's interesting how obliging our representatives can be. If you have ever tried to contact your representative or senator you will most likely be given only one electronic means of communication - email via a web form. Each time you wish to communicate with them, no matter how many times you have in the past, you will be required to give them your full address, phone number and name and sometimes more than that - every time. There is no sign-up to be a regular correspondent with the person that is in office to represent YOU.
On top of that, if you ask them for a response, you will get one, canned, and without including the original email you sent - and you will have no record of your original correspondence (unless you take special pains to keep a copy that is) because it will never be included in your reply. The reply is always general and will be from an email address you cannot reply to.
So, with my options very limited as to my ability to respond to my representatives response I give you my open response to Senator Crapo's (Idaho) response to my request to NOT extend the Patriot act which was recently before the Senate.
Here is the Senator's response in blue to my initial request which I have no record of because I had to send this on a web-form and did not save a copy. My responses are in purple interspersed. I will be referring to this post in my next correspondence with the Senator.

February 25, 2011

Mr.Sanford Staab

...

Dear Sanford:

Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns regarding the PATRIOT Act. I appreciate knowing your thoughts and welcome the opportunity to respond.

As you may know, the PATRIOT Act was signed into law by former President Bush on October 26, 2001. Yes it was, under severe threats and panic over 911 which was used as the opportunity to slam through this pre-conceived legislation just for such a time. Note that the text can be found here and is 271 pages long. At the time representatives passed this legislation without having been able to even read the legislation. Your statement above makes it sound like the Bush Administration made this law with prudent and informed deliberation - which was NOT the case (unless it had been planned and thought through long before the 911 incident) Since then, there has been a great deal of controversy about the provisions included in the Act and whether they infringe on individual civil liberties. My standard from the outset is the Constitution. If anything unconstitutional is in the Patriot Act, it should be immediately corrected. Sounds good Senator. Here is the 4th amendment to the constitution:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Lets keep this text in mind as we read on...

On February 15, 2011, Congress reauthorized three controversial provisions of the PATRIOT Act that extend certain powers to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Specifically, the first provision grants the authority for FBI investigators to obtain a “roving wiretap” court order, which authorizes them to follow a target who switches phone numbers.

It appears that the evidence needed to violate the privacy of an individual is simply the fact that someone is changing phone numbers. This is evidence of what crime? What oath or affirmation is needed to ensure this is probable cause of a crime? What is specifically being sought after with the wire-tap?

The second provision allows the court-ordered seizure of “any tangible thing” relevant to a terrorism investigation.

Seizure of property is covered in the constitution under the 5th Amendment:

No person shall ... be deprived of ... property, without due process of law;

The classification of terrorism is used to rob people of due process. Court-ordered or not, seizure of ANY property before or without due process is clearly unconstitutional! If law enforcement can just ask a judge for the right to seize property without the accused even being able to defend himself first then this cannot be considered due-process by any stretch of the reasonable imagination.

This includes a business’s customer records, diary or a computer. The final and most controversial provision allows the FBI to obtain a court order to wiretap a terrorism suspect who is not connected to any foreign terrorist group or foreign government. Known as the “lone wolf” provision, this authority has never been used by the FBI. Authorization for these provisions was extended through May 2011.

This is an explicit waving of due process and of evidence required specifically by the 5th amendment. How whacked do things have to get to be considered unconstitutional by you sir!!!?

As you may know, these, and many provisions of the Patriot Act were not made permanent when they were created.

Oh so we can violate rights as long as we do them on a temporary basis? What difference does the violation of rights make whether temporary or permanent? Both are in clear violation of your oath of office and the purposes of government outlined in the Declaration of Independence.

Congress wisely included sunsets for these provisions.

So wise sir! Because we don't know what we are doing, lets just be safe and make it temporary. That does make sense since the original patriot act was passed with no time to even read the act much less deliberate it. But such knee-jerk panic acts by congress hardly makes them worthy of my support and trust. This provided Congress with the opportunity to conduct frequent and thorough oversight on these policies and to only reauthorize them and revise them as necessary, based on the actual evidence of how they had been implemented.

I understand the views expressed by you and other Idahoans about the possibility of the powers granted under the Patriot Act infringing on civil liberties. Its not just possible - its clear as blood. However, steps must be taken to restructure our government resources so that they are in the best possible position to detect, address, and prevent any future attacks on our country. The government's "resources" are my/our "resources". The cost of 911 and all other terrorist attacks made on this country since then pale in comparison to the cost we have incurred due to government responses to these acts.

Suspension of all air flight for 90 days
Entrance into a protracted war without any official declaration of either war or who the enemy is
Imposition of unlawful search and seizure at every airport terminal
Violation of the privacy of US citizens via email and phone tapping without any evidence of probable cause of any specific crime
Imposition of a national police force in the form of homeland security
Billions of dollars of cost in implementing these actions
etc.

This can be done without sacrificing personal freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution. We have already lost due process completely with the suspension of habeas corpus in "terrorism" cases. This is so core to our freedoms that it becomes difficult to find anything left that we can call true freedom. What is the definition of the legal term terrorist? (see U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)) Upon taking office, I, and every other Senator, must take an oath that states in part, “I solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” I am committed to fulfilling this oath. Your rhetoric and actions contradict this IMHO.

The goal of protecting Americans’ physical safety where in the constitution does it grant the federal government the duty to protect individual citizen's physical safety at all - except to provide for the common defense? Keep in mind the strict construction rules of the 10th amendmant. And where in the hell does it grant the government the right to deprive citizens of their rights to "protect" them? and protecting the rights and privileges we all enjoy need not be mutually exclusive. I am confident that the Patriot Act was created in a way

that serves its stated purpose, and that will leave law-abiding Americans with no reason to take personal concern for its actions. Denial of due process to anyone should be of deep concern to every American sir. If it can be denied to one, it can be denied to any and all. This is the crux of the Declaration of Independence - that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL in the eyes of the law. We can't just classify some men as "terrorists" and thus make them unequal in rights without due process first.

Again, thank you for contacting me. Please feel free to contact me in the future on this or other matters of interest to you. Will do senator. For more information about the issues before the U.S. Senate as well as news releases, photos, and other items of interest, please visit my Senate website, http://crapo.senate.gov.

Sincerely,

Mike Crapo

United States Senator

MDC:jb

It has been a pleasure to address this response in detail via this blog. I will now send another web-form email to Senator Crapo referencing this post. If I get any kind of cogent response, I will be sure to append it to this post for all to see.

Let me clarify that I don't consider Senator Crapo to be any worse than other senators or representatives we have these days in congress. Almost without exception, every person in congress is either grossly ignorant of the law or they are so focused on keeping power that their consciences have been seared.

To save this nation will require representatives that are willing to die for liberty - because I believe that is what it will take to turn things around these days.

I truly appreciate the pressures both positive and negative that weigh upon our representatives, especially at the federal level. But these people need to know that the cost of their compromise of truth and justice will have a penalty to be paid sometime in the future - and that penalty will be painful and my not be that far off in coming.

Something you could easily do, Senator Crapo, to make correspondence more open and useful to those you serve, would be to create a kind of specialized web forum where your constituents (and only your constituents) could openly express their views on a multitude of subjects with openness and organization. I would suspect that opencongress.org would be most happy to help you in this regard and it would set a wonderful precedence as a great example of transparency in government so often touted these days by various officers of government.

Sincerely

Sanford Staab

Principles In Liberty 56

2010-11-30T18:20:00.000-08:00

V76 - Galambos
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Andrew J. Galambos

V76 Lectures
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7

The V50 Lectures in written form are here.

00:37 I wont pay for the v50 lectures because I don't understand the Galambos trust - why even after he is dead his trust will not release the content of these lectures openly. I see no reason for Galambos to demand income from these lectures. (Note: Upon doing some research while publishing this post, I noticed that he does have his volitional science in paperback form - however it is indeed a rare and expensive book. (paperback only $400! Note the book reviews on this - it may well be worth every penny!) Upon reading the Wikipedia Biography of Galambos, it appears to me that he has only managed to attract attention from a very small minority of people. There appears to be very little around on the net on Galambos)
01:00 Bonnie Lang published the V76 lectures free recently (well, make that in 2001). See links above.
01:26 Glambos is a political thinker who believes it is possible to create a society that doesn't use force.
01:45 Remember Spooner - a similar "anarchist" type, was also a Deist.
02:07 The secrets of this is locked up in the v50 lectures. (Either pay $125 for the mp3s or $400 for the paperback)
02:26 I was impressed with the V76 lectures.
2:35 Galambos is hard to listen to due to his pauses in his speaking.
02:50 My Summary of V76:
03:50 Paine's "Common Sense" was read by 1 in every 6 Americans.
04:24 Paine's "Crisis" was 13 letters used to inspire the volunteer army troops during the revolutionary war.
05:00 That war was totally voluntary - no taxes used.
05:41 Paine started as a corset maker, failed, became a tex collector, failed, got reinstated, failed again, left for America on advice from Ben Franklin and wrote for a Pensylvania magazine which he brought back from near collapse by writing all the articles under pseudo names. Paine wrote articles against slavery and for women's rights in that magazine.
06:30 Paine became a radical principled man. Paine was a Deist as it sounds like Glambos is as well.
06:50 Likely the confusion of the reformation turned people off and gave rise to Deism which dismisses many issues of religion - very close to unitarian thinking.
07:40 The goal of Paine to do good for the world in some ways shames many christians I know. Deists seem to care more about this world than Christian's do.
08:20 Glambos seems to feel the world (in the 50s) had less than a century left due to our WMD technology.
09:00 The would-be rulers of the world seem to care not about the world itself.
09:15 Glambos asserts that Paine wrote the initial version of the Declaration of Independence and that what ended up being used was a watered down version that came out of committee. Glambos gives pretty persuasive evidenct to support Paine's authorship of the Declaration of Independence.
10:20 Paine invented steel bridges and got involved in the French Revolution and narowly escaped a beheading in France.
10:50 Paine died a "pennyless wretch" as some have told me. But the reason he died this way was because he gave everything he had away and never took all the credit due him from his writings and inventions.
11:00 After his death, bad biographies appeared which tainted the name of Paine in history.
11:30 Glambos feels that Paine didn't go far enough and that we should have abolished government altogether. Glambos feels there is a sientific way to get to a force-free society and protect all property including intellecutal property without compulsion.
12:38 We live in an age of corruption. I don't yet accept the premise that there is a way to conduct society without the use of force.
13:05 Glambos' arguements remind me of the utopian communist view of the state withering away after the revolution. (He makes assertions without giving good example of exactly how a force-free society gets implemented.)
13:45 Why is Glambos's stuff not out there in written form? (It is, I was just a dope.)
14:00 Volitional Science SHOULD be able to be boiled down to a few pages of key points and spread efficiently around the world. (This I have not seen but I suspect Galambos' requirements for his students to sign NDA type agreements is why.)
14:44 Glambos points out that Paine had the ability to put ideas into a form that made things happen.
15:00 Glambos emphasizes that to get to freedom you don't fight tyrany. You fight FOR freedom.
15:45 I look forward to checking out the V50 lectures and relating that to you in a leter podcast. (I said I wouldn't buy them, but maybe I lied. Maybe my curiosity will pry the money from my fingers.)
16:40 Government schools have taught us to be slaves.
17:25 Glambos loves Isaac Newton.
17:58 Lyndon LaRouche does NOT like Newton. An interesting conflict.
18:45 The logic of Newton allows reason to dump God. This sets the Deist up to take over. Add Darwin and we are done with God.
19:25 We are now in the post-modern Man-is-God position. But we are trying to move back.
20:20 closing remarks.

Principles In Liberty 55

2010-10-20T22:53:00.000-07:00

Hot Cops

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1:09 Glen Stoll's Texas Adventure
1:39 An incident in Lewiston with the cops on 10/1/2010.
2:30 Cops pull over a guy that parks in the Albertsons parking lot and block a lady parked next to the guy.
3:30 backup cops come and block more traffic.
3:58 People are scared to death as they maneuver around the cops.
4:22 Takes abour 45 minutes for the arrest to be completed.
4:35 I wanted to offer myself to the perp as a witness but was too indimidated to do so!
4:53 If I parked the way the cops did, I'd be getting a ticket myself.
5:42 The perp isn't bothering anybody and cooperates as much as he can.
6:00 Homeland Security == KGB, a totally unconstitutional national police force.
6:19 I was really insensed and wanted to call the Lewiston Police Dept, and find out more about this.
6:46 Later I went to a volunteer fire department meeting.
7:00 They just got a grant from Homeland Security
8:25 These grants are a backhanded method of forcing spending on what people don't support.
8:50 Taxes need to be made voluntary again.
9:00 This dovetails into Glen Stolls adventure in texas.
9:30 Gist: Glen Stoll doesn't cary plates for any state.
9:47 Why doesn't he have plates?
10:07 History of the Motor Vehicle Code - couldn't find any good links on this.
10:32 Horses didn't need plates way back when.
11:00 First automobiles didn't have plates or licenses either.
11:42 DOL is the center of insantiy.
12:13 I think the MVC was part of the UCC.
12:27 Motor Vehicle is a special commercial term. As is "driving", "operator", etc.
13:00 I haven't been able to confirm these ideas.
13:14 proof of ownership is the bill of sale. But I have to "register" this car with the state.
13:42 A title's legal construction is a trust. You and the government share title to the car.
14:21 Driver Licenses used to always be called "commercial" licenses.
14:46 Now all you see in WA is CDL - but now that is gone too. Idaho still shows its commercial.
15:26 I have tried to find clear evidence of this commercial scam but so far without success.
17:15 It is my contention that the lawyers have been hiding this commercial aspect of the MVC.
18:00 I've ordered some dictionaries that I hope to get online for comparitive use.

Here follows a transcript of Glen Stoll's Abatement written from his Jail Cell in Texas.

Memorandum of Fact, Agreement and Law
On or about Friday, April 16th, 2010, 10:30pm while on a missionary journey heading for interstate 10 from an assignment in Austin Texas, I was riding in the Church Ministry automobile with Michael Shurtteff, my fellow missionary behind the wheel. Michael brought to my attention that there was an emergency behind us with lights flashing. He pulled over for the vehicle to pass. As the vehicle was taking a long time to pass, Michael said something like "maybe he's after me". I said "how could that be? You are always extra careful not to exceed the posted limit and the cruise control was set." When Michael pulled completely over and stopped off the road with the vehicles still behind us, I said "maybe you were swerving a little and he thought you were drunk or something."
The emergency vehicle driver who came to the window appeared to be a Texas state trooper.   He asked the usual questions about ID and expressed his displeasure about our faith as church resident citizens by saying things like "the kingdom of heaven is not here and now. You can't be from the kingdom of heaven." and "The post offices don't allow general delivery anymore." The last taunt was in connection with accusing ambassador Shurtteff of giving false information. After being out of the automobile for a short time, ambassador Shurtteff returned long enough to tell me "looks like I'm under arrest". Upon my asking what the charges are, one or both of them responded with "driving without a driver's license". I asked something like "when did that ever become a crime?" Being a Church official myself and actively involved with the identification, registration, and licensing process, it is my understanding that he does have a current valid drivers license, whether or not he was able to present his DL to the trooper, I cannot say.
Next the trooper asked me to get out of the automobile after first having told me to stay inside. He then asked if I had any weapons on me. I told him that I had a pocket knife in my right front pocket that I would be glad to leave in the car. He then began to display great agitation, barking out orders that were extremely confusing like "spread you legs" when they were already spread and "stop resisting" when I had no concious knowledge or intention of resisting. I was attempting to be as cooporative with him as possible. I am not accustomed to dealing with people who behave in such a rude, beligerent, and arrogant fashion and tone. He was screaming at me at the top of his lungs and with a distorted voice. I just froze. The next thing I knew, I was down on the ground and he was riffling through my pockets. He took everything out and returned my billfold but kept my church passport, my pocket knife, and my special herbal oil that I use for sinus injection and other healing purposes and annointing services. At no time to I recall him ever asking me to identify myself or to show him my identification. If he had, I'm sure I would remember becasue I am proud of my lord and savior Jesus Christ, and enjoy identifying myself as belonging to Him and Him alone.
On several occasions during this ordeal I asked the trooper something like "what are you doing?" and "What is it you want from me?" The only answer I recal from him was to my question "Am I being arrested?" as he was helping me up from the ground. His answer was "you are now". I then asked "on what charge?" He said "for resiting arrest." I said something like "how can I be arrested for resting arrest when I wasn't being arrested for anything in the first place?" His response was, which he repeated once again as I was being taken away by Johnson City Police Officer David, "You were resisting arrest, search and transport".
Upon ariving at the Blanko County Jail, I said to the officer, "it appears we are both being arrested for preaching the gospel without a license" to which he said "this isn't the first time that has happened." The officer did his processing and then locked us each in separate cells. During processing, the officer asked for identification information. I told him that the trooper had taken my church passport but that I had a church issued driver license if he would like to see that. Since I have taken a spiritual vow of poverty, chastity, and obedience into a special sacred order of gospel ministry, as the scripture says, "all things have become new and old things have passed away to be remembered no more". I explained the similarity to that of a monk of the Roman Catholic of which I am not, but with similar concepts. The vow of poverty is that everything I had, have, and ever hope to have belongs to and is under exclusive control of Jesus Christ and his Church. I am only a steward of anything in my posession and am answerable to the rest of the body of Christ for my faithful management of it on their behalf. The vow of chastity means that I am never again to have intimate relations with the great whore or any of her harlots which are any of the systems of government of men that are "drunk with the wine of the wrath of her fornication" and the vow of obedience is to Jesus Christ and Him alone as a loyal minister of the Gospel and ruler in His kingdom.
Therefore as an agent in legal terms for managing certain temporal affairs as an ambassador in political terms being the Kingdom of Heaven to a lost and dying world, and as a minister in spritual terms, minister as unto the most high, even to men of low estate and submiting to every ordinance of man for the punishment of evil doers and the praise of them that do well.  Under the above mentioned vows, I have become civily dead, have expatriated from citizenship in a secular governement and have become exclusively church resident as a fellow citizen of the household of God.
Having said all that, this is how it is possible for me to not have a date of birth. I have known several people whos date of birth is not the same as the actual day upon which they were born. Some who have been adopted from other countries and another date was simply assigned to them, and some who were assigned a date of birth for legal purposes to be used to identify them as human resources and property of the secular state.
Since it is possible to have a date of birth that is not the same as the actual day upon which you were born, it is also possible to not have a "date of birth" at all if you are not a human resource and subject property of the state, which I am not, as explained above. I have been bought and paid for with a price that of the shed blood of Jesus Christ, I cannot serve two masters. I have expatriated according to the several laws of the United States and that of International Law.
I have not expratriated because I hate the United States of America, on the contrary, I love my country and I love the principles upon which the US of A was founded. I have expatriated from the corupt, godless ,secular humanist, defacto United States that has overthrown and userped the authority of the original dejure US of A that was established in the fear of God and under the authority of Jesus Christ.
Again, I love my country, and my country is the kingdom of heaven that is within, on the face of all the earth, and my beloved home and native land, America. "Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty". It is people like me, and those who respect or at least tolerate us that make America great. It is people who have no respect for the things of God, or of the people of God like me, that have destroyed this great land. Which of these are you? As Alexis De Tocville said, "America will be great only as long as America is good". He went on to say that by good he means "bible believing, God fearing, and Christian but also tolerating and respecting others who are not; but not letting them take over as they have because they do not tolerate or respect us, and will soon the entire nation, even those who claim to be Christian brothers against us. What is happening to ambassador Shurtteff and me here in Johnson City, Texas is an example of the latter.
The above has been explained to some extent or another to many of the people here at the jail, including the Johnson City chief of police, several Blanko City deputies and others. On Saturday afternoon, April 17th, 2010, we spoke with a magistrate - Bob Riley who was attempting to secure our release and that he would see us again that evening, but he never did. I had explained to him that a deputy had attempted to take my fingerprints earlier but we agreed to wait and see what the magistrate had to say about taking fingerprints against my will, having already been subject to unlawful search and seizure, arrest, and incarceration.
The magistrate ruled that we would be released after he returned that evening, but only if they had my fingerprints first. I confirmed that I would not give my fingerprints, believing it to be unlawful, but that I would not resist their unlawful taking of them. Complete sets of my fingerprints have been taken about 5 times as of this writing, sunday late evening, with still no sign of seeing a magistrate, even though we have been told we would be seeing one on Saturday evening and several times on sunday. Now we are being told that we will see a magistrate tomorrow, Monday April 19th, 2010, but who knows.
The Johnson City police chief told me that if I do not give them a date of birth, which I do not have, or tell him the actual day upon which I was born, that they will never release me. I have repeatedly asked for "assistance of counsel" but have been refused. The police chief that I would stay in here for life without "assistance of counsel" unless I provided them with a date of brith and place of birth. I told him that wont be very long then because I am on a spiritual fast without food or water until such time as I am released.
During one of the fingerprinting sessions, I mentioned to a young deputy sheriff that it is sure boring being locked up in total isolation all day and all night. He said "its not supposed to be pleasant. That's why people wont to come back here." I said, "I didn't want to come here in the first place." He said, "then you should have obeyed the law." When I sugested that I sounded like he wanted to see me punished without charges, trial, conviction, sentencing, or any other due process of law, he said, "that is exactly what you are in here for, punishment." There has been casual meniton of several charges like "spending and altering government departments" in addition to what I have mentioned before, but neither of us have seen anything yet.
For the most part, except for the "aresting" state trooper, everyone here has been very curtious and respectful, except for keeping us caged up like animals for no good reason, and having us on survelience camera 24/7 being viewed by both men and women even while using the "open room policy" toilet with "gray bar" doors and narrow slits for windows. So much for pastor Paul's theory about privacy in public toilets. However, this evening they have allowed us to take showers in our cell, and towels, and an orange uniform to put on. Boy! Did they get mad when I put my own clothing on. I put their uniform on only as a curtisey to them in order to keep them from resorting to the physical violence they threatened against me if I did not comply against my will.
I asked the older of the two deputies if I could have some paper and a pen and he said, "you do something for us and we'll do something for you" so here it is, and I am wearing orange. A very pleasant lady guard just came in and told me that it is 4AM.   They never let you know what time it is unless you ask and sometimes not even then. I had no idea it was so late. This should be enough for attaching to my foreign plea in abatement. I would also like to get this to my lawyers and Pro Advocate Group that can be found on my website at more resources.
The forgoing is true, correct, and certain. Materially complete and not misleading.
Signed at John City Jail, Texas, on this 19th day of April in the year of our Lord 2010.
Signed Glen Stoll, Ambassador of Jesus Christ.
Following this was Glen's last will and testament in case he should not leave the jail alive.

Principles in Liberty 54

2010-08-05T10:48:00.000-07:00

Bob Bowman

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Recorded on 8/4/2010

01:22 Bowman Starts his inaugural address should he be elected president.
01:50 C: Democrats appeal to controlling corporate greed.
02:27 Bowman wants to follow the constitution - this is good.
03:00 C: What is a signing statement?
03:33 Repeal dictatorial powers of the president.
04:04 C: He's on a great roll!
05:15 C: Back to a paper ballot - right on - but the beginning of demagoguery is happening here.
06:36 C: Public funding of elections - how does this improve the electoral process?
07:43 Proportional representation and other changes to promote third parties.
08:00 C: Are two parties really the problem? Bastiat's the Law is ideal to explain Dr. Bowman's errors.
10:54 C: Are elections fixed at the federal level?
11:24 C: A political party is a private association. Government should not be involved in this at all.
13:30 Constitutional amendment proposed: Corporations are not "Persons".
14:00 C: This is a new one to me. Government already controls corporations. The Constitution isn't the appropriate place for this.
16:14 Media Reform: Reinstate the ban on ownership of multiple media outlets.
16:25 C: This is meddling in private property - this is unconstitutional. The FCC itself is unconstitutional. This guy is a socialist.
18:12 The key to ending fascism is separating big money from big power.
18:25 C: This is not possible. We must decentralize the power.
19:30 Indite the Bush administration for war crimes.
20:00 C: Right on Bob - this is what government should be doing.
21:00 I expect the military to refuse obeying illegal orders.
21:15 C: Danger Will Robinson! Not wise to order your troops to not obey you.
22:43 Duty to the constitution far outstrips other priorities.
23:00 Dual Citizenship should be done away with in government positions.
23:22 C: Right on Bob.
23:53 Never follow orders to participate in a war of aggression.
24:10 C: The soldier is not the one to decide the validity of a war. The people decide that via their reps in congress which is supposed to declare war before the executive commits troops.
26:29 Never follow orders to incarcerate citizens without charges.
26:40 C: Waco was the breaking of the Passe Comatatis Act. It needs to be reinstated.
27:24 911 is being used to take our rights. The 911 cover-up discussed.
30:00 C: So refreshing to hear the truth of 911 being talked about by a political candidate!
31:18 911 must be exposed or our wars will never stop.
32:19 Other cover-ups to deal with - Murders of female soldiers in the field.
32:48 Pat Tillman - sport start, war hero, conscientious objector, victim of murder in the field.
33:17 Levina Johnson case - tragic.
34:25 "A government the honors the truth must uncover the truth and then tell the truth"
34:35 C: Bobs best quote!
35:15 Government should reflect the values of its good people.
35:42 Real wages are 1/3 of what they were in the 1950s. Ordinary workers today would be making $1.2M/year.
36:22 C: He proposes minimum wage controls to fix the ecconomy. This is socialist and will not work.
37:50 Tariffs to keep jobs in the country.
38:00 C: I'm not sure about tariffs - seem necessary but is interference in international economy.
38:41 Limiting corporate executive income tax deduction.
39:13 C: Another socialist solution - tax incentives. The whole income tax is unconstitutional by its nature. Bob needs to understand this.
40:38: Executive order to require government contractors pay their workers a "living wage".
40:50 C: This is whacky. In the same breath he supports the constitution and supports a socialist solution via an unconstitutional vehicle - executive orders. "Congress shall make all laws" This makes Bob a dangerous guy.
43:15 Environment issues - skipped but in sum we should double the gas mileage of cars and trucks.
43:39 C: The government doesn't own the environment. The people (should) own the land. The proper fix is allodial titles of land to physical people and inheritable without taxes to the next generation.
45:20 Release all those detained without charge.
45:30 C: Totally correct Bob.
46:20 Do away with anti marijuana laws.
46:30 C: See Lysander Spooner’s work on the law and vice. But the executive branch is not the party to decide which laws to enforce. Congress needs to fix this. He should only not enforce laws that are unconstitutional - not what he doesn't like.
48:00 Using mercenaries is unconstitutional.
48:12 C: That's new to me. I don't know of any limits on hiring mercenaries in emergencies in the constitution. But let’s declare war first.
49:25 All contracts with mercenaries are canceled. Abolish Homeland Security Agency.
49:37 C: Right on Bob! Let's abolish all the agencies FDR created - they are all unconstitutional.
50:00 Wars of aggression. The US has no evidence against Osama Bin Ladin and we knew that Hussein did not have WMD because we put 150000 troops on the border in one location before attacking Iraq.
52:25 "The whole 'War on Terror' is phony from beginning to end"
52:28 C: Preach it brother!!!
52:35 The collateral damage of the wars discussed.
54:00 Bring the troops home while they are still alive. Stop using depleted uranium weapons. We must bear the cost of caring for our injured and poisoned soldiers.
54:54 C: The men all volunteered. I don't see a proper obligation to do legal plunder again to support veterans. Two wrongs don't make it right.
56:00 Globalization bottom line: Suspend NAFTA till Mexico reforms itself economically.
56:24 C: Not only is Bob socialist - he is dictating his socialist solutions to other countries. Whey not can NAFTA? Why just suspend it? Does he support the American Union? Bob can be used by the bad guys just as well as the neo-cons were used because he is a socialist.
58:00 Can the FED. States should form non-profit banks. Licence not-for-profit banks.
(Post Production Note: He want's to dump the FED but he respects the IRS which is the other side of the same coin. Clearly Bob is confused.)
58:40 C: Right on Bob.
58:50 Close the School of the Americas
59:00 Abolish the CIA. Transfer the good analysts to other agencies.
60:00 C: This is not as simple as it seems.
1:01:00 These wars are part of a long bloody history of collonial policies. We are taking irreversable steps to return to a constitutional foreign policy.
1:02:07 C: Multinational corporations are tools used by good and bad guys. The bad guys have other tools. You won't fix this by destroying corporations or taxing them to death. We are against an international gang of thugs. All the governments need to wake up to how they are bing used by these gangsters otherwise we will be the target of all nations if we reform.
1:04:30 Recall forces from around the world. After 65 years the occupations of Germany and Japan will come to an end. Use Jimmy Carter to straighten out the Israelis.
1:05:00 C: We cannot solve Israel's problem. The governments should not be interfering with each other. This is right from Washington and Madison.
1:06:30 Suspend all financial assistance to Israel till they reform their government.
1:06:54 C: Why not cut financial assistance to all nations? It's all leagal plunder anyway.
1:07:20 We need to honor our treaties for disarmament.
1:07:17 C: This is a can of worms. These treaties were made with the UN who aren't really a legit government anyway. Hard to say these should be enforced. It’s also just not possible to remove nukes from the earth without a global police state to enforce it.
1:09:05 I am not likely to last long in this job. If I have a suicide be suspicious. They can kill me - but they can't kill what we started - its too late for that now.
1:10:10 C: That’s all for now.
1:10:30 My question to Bob live about using executive orders to enforce things. His answer.
1:12:15 Conclusions by me. Bob is a hero and a dangerous man.
1:14:18 The Law excerpt on false philanthropy.

Principles In Liberty 52 - Save A Patriot Fellowship

2010-07-09T08:41:00.000-07:00

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This episode is dedicated to CPAs and Tax Consultants that may not realize they could be misinforming their clients about the law regarding income tax.
See Save A Patriot Fellowship
See this recent Seattle Weekly article on David Struckman

Principles In Liberty 51 - Happy 4th fo July

2010-07-03T22:39:00.000-07:00

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Why do we celebrate the 4th of July? Some thoughts on the eve of this historical day.

The Declaration of Independence (A good thing to read today)

Jonathan Mayhew

2010-05-29T07:31:00.000-07:00

While reading Whatever Happened to Justice?, My attention was directed to a sermon in 1750 by Jonathan Mayhew. The format of the source from which I found this sermon was not easy for me to read so I resubmit it here for easy reading. John Adams delcared Mayhew to be a "transcendant genius" and says that this very sermon was instrumental in sparking the American Revolution. I urge everyone, but especially pastors to read this sermon and think about it. I cannot see a flaw in his logic here.
Emphasis and formatting of the sermon are mine.

Sandy

Let us now trace the apostle’s reasoning in favor of submission to the higher powers, a little more particularly and exactly. For by this it will appear, on one hand, how good and conclusive it is, for submission to those rulers who exercise their power in a proper manner: And, on the other, how weak and trifling and inconnected [sic] it is, if it be supposed to be meant by the apostle to show the obligation and duty of obedience to tyrannical, oppressive rulers in common with others of a different character.
The apostle enters upon his subject thus—Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers; for there is no power but of God: the powers that be, are ordained of God. Here he urges the duty of obedience from this topic of argument, that civil rulers, as they are supposed to fulfil the pleasure of God, are the ordinance of God. But how is this an argument for obedience to such rulers as do not perform the pleasure of God, by doing good; but the pleasure of the devil, by doing evil; and such as are not, therefore, God’s ministers, but the devil’s! Whosoever, therefore, resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God; and they that resist, shall receive to themselves damnation. Here the apostle argues, that those who resist a reasonable and just authority, which is agreeable to the will of God, do really resist the will of God himself; and will, therefore, be punished by him. But how does this prove, that those who resist a lawless, unreasonable power, which is contrary to the will of God, do therein resist the will and ordinance of God? Is resisting those who resist God’s will, the same thing with resisting God? Or shall those who do so, receive to themselves damnation! For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good; and thou shalt have praise of the same. For he is the minister of God to thee for good. Here the apostle argues more explicitly than he had before done, for revering, and submitting to, magistracy, from this consideration, that such as really performed the duty of magistrates, would be enemies only to the vil actions of men, and would befriend and encourage the good; and so be a common blessing to society. But how is this an argument, that we must honor, and submit to, such magistrates as are not enemies to the evil actions of men, but to the good; and such as are not a common blessing, but a common curse, to society! But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid: For he is the minister of God, a revenger, to execute wrath upon him that doth evil. Here the apostle argues from the nature and end of magistracy, that such as did evil, (and such only) had reason to be afraid of the higher powers; it being part of their office to punish evil doers, no less than to defend and encourage such as do well. But if magistrates are unrighteous; if they are respecters of persons; if they are partial in their administration of justice; then those who do well have as much reason to be afraid, as those that do evil: there can be no safety for the good, nor any peculiar ground of terror to the unruly and injurious. So that, in this case, the main end of civil government will be frustrated. And what reason is there for submitting to that government, which does by no means answer the design of government? Wherefore ye must needs be subject not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. Here the apostle argues the duty of a chearful and conscientious submission to civil government, from the nature and end of magistracy as he had before laid it down, i. e. as the design of it was to punish evil doers, and to support and encourage such as do well; and as it must, if so exercised, be agreeable to the will of God. But how does what he here says, prove the duty of a chearful and conscientious subjection to those who forfeit the character of rulers? to those who encourage the bad, and discourage the good? The argument here used no more proves it to be a sin to resist such rulers, than it does, to resist the devil, that he may flee from us. For one is as truly the minister of God as may the other. For, for this cause pay you tribute also; for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Here the apostle argues the duty of paying taxes from this consideration, that those who perform the duty of rulers, are continually attending upon the public welfare. But how does this argument conclude for paying taxes to such princes as are continually endeavouring to ruin the public? And especially when such payment would facilitate and promote this wicked design! Render therefore to all their dues; tribute, to whom tribute is due; custom, to whom custom; fear, to whom fear; honor, to whom honor. Here the apostle sums up what he had been saying concerning the duty of subjects to rulers. And his argument stands thus—"Since magistrates who execute their office well, are common benefactors to society; and may, in that respect, be properly stiled the ministers and ordinance of God; and since they are constantly employed in the service of the public; it becomes you to pay them tribute and custom; and to reverence, honor, and submit to, them in the execution of their respective offices." This is apparently good reasoning. But does this argument conclude for the duty of paying tribute, custom, reverence, honor and obedience, to such persons as (although they bear the title of rulers) use all their powers to hurt and injure the public: such as are not God’s ministers, but satan’s? such as do not take care of, and attend upon, the public interest, but their own, to the ruin of the public? that is, in short, to such as have no natural and just claim at all to tribute, custom, reverence, honor, and obedience? It is to be hoped that those who have any regard to the apostle’s character as an inspired writer, or even as a man of common understanding, will not represent him as reasoning in such a loose incoherent manner; and drawing conclusions which have not the least relation to his premises. For what can be more absurd than an argument thus framed? "Rulers are, by their office, bound to consult the public welfare and the good of society: therefore you are bound to pay them tribute, to honor, and to submit to them, even when they destroy the public welfare, and are a common pest to society, by acting in direct contradiction to the nature and end of their office."
Thus, upon a careful review of the apostle’s reasoning in this passage, it appears that his arguments to enforce submission, are of such a nature, as to conclude only in favour of submission to such rulers as he himself describes; i.e. such as rule for the good of society, which is the only end of their institution. Common tyrants, and public oppressors, are not intitled [sic] to obedience from their subjects, by virtue of any thing here laid down by the inspired apostle.
I now add, farther, that the apostle’s argument is so far from proving it to be the duty of people to obey, and submit to, such rulers as act in contradiction to the public good, and so to the design of their office, that it proves the direct contrary. For, please to observe, that if the end of all civil government, be the good of society; if this be the thing that is aimed at in constituting civil rulers; and if the motive and argument for submission to government, be taken from the apparent usefulness of civil authority; it follows, that when no such good end can be answered by submission, there remains no argument or motive to enforce it; if instead of this good end’s being brought about by submission, a contrary end is brought about, and the ruin and misery of society effected by it, here is a plain and positive reason against submission in all such cases, should they ever happen. And therefore, in such cases, a regard to the public welfare, ought to make us with-hold from our rulers, that obedience and subjection which it would, otherwise, be our duty to render to them. If it be our duty, for example, to obey our king, merely for this reason, that he rules for the public welfare, (which is the only argument the apostle makes use of) it follows, by a parity of reason, that when he turns tyrant, and makes his subjects his prey to devour and to destroy, instead of his charge to defend and cherish, we are bound to throw off our allegiance to him, and to resist; and that according to the tenor of the apostle’s argument in this passage. Not to discontinue our allegiance, in this case, would be to join with the sovereign in promoting the slavery and misery of that society, the welfare of which, we ourselves, as well as our sovereign, are indispensably obliged to secure and promote, as far as in us lies. It is true the apostle puts no case of such a tyrannical prince; but by his grounding his argument for submission wholly upon the good of civil society; it is plain he implicitly authorises, and even requires us to make resistance, whenever this shall be necessary to the public safety and happiness. Let me make use of this easy and familiar similitude to illustrate the point in hand—Suppose God requires a family of children, to obey their father and not to resist him and inforces [sic] his command with this argument; that the superintendence and care and authority of a just and kind parent, will contribute to the happiness of the whole family; so that they ought to obey him for their own sakes more than for his: Suppose this parent at length runs distracted, and attempts, in his mad fit, to cut all his children’s throats: Now in this case, is not the reason before assigned, why these children should obey their parent while he continued of a sound mind, namely, their common good, a reason equally conclusive for disobeying and resisting him, since he is become delirious, and attempts their ruin? It makes no alteration in the argument, whether this parent, properly speaking, loses his reason; or does, while he retains his understanding, that which is as fatal in its consequences, as any thing he could do, were he really deprived of it.

Note that there is another point of logic to consider in this argument. If government is to punish evil and government becomes the evil it should punish, should not government then commit suicide to perform its proper function? If suicide is wrong, and certainly unexpected of a government that is not doing its job, should it then be assisted in its death by its people withdrawing their support of it in the form of obedience and paying of taxes?
I can see no other logical conclusion if government refuses to repent of its evil. To continue to support an entity that is in clear disobedience to God is to oppose God. To do otherwise clearly disobeys the first commandment - "Thou Shalt have no other gods before me."
Some might argue that Mayhew was a "liberal" unitarian type of preacher and thus this sermon should be ignored but I don't see how that disqualifies his logic here. I choose not to attack the messenger.
Maybe I better shut up - this could get me in trouble!

Principles In Liberty 50

2010-05-28T11:11:00.000-07:00

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I basically recorded a call to Wells Fargo Bank concerning my HSA account about a $100 fee that was in their fee schedule.
The conversation is illuminating so I thought I would share it with you.

Principles in Liberty 49

2010-05-26T18:15:00.000-07:00

I had a long chat with Red Beckman and Steve Pidgeon on various issues. This took me a long time to transcribe so my appologies. Hope you enjoy it!
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00:00 Introduction of Red Beckman
02:00 The High Crimes of Barack Obama (Steve Pidgeon) Dr. John Hanson
02:24 By realeasing a fake birth cert. Obama committed a high crime of mispersonation - 15 years in prison.
05:00 Red's theory on Obama - when subosed at Columbia, Obama was training at Pakistan.
08:00 Dr. Manning will be trying Obama at his church.
12:47 Steve Pidgeon - Book by ex op for the DOD called "Ghost".
14:50 Barak visited with the new power in Pakistan soon after airplane crash mentioned in the book.
15:44 Obama prounced Pakistan as if he has been there.
16:00 Manning shows clearly that Obama didn't attend Columbia.
16:19 Rashid Kalini - Hesbalah - was a prof. at Columbia and connected in Chicago. (Tony Resco) (Bill Aires) - on Commission funding the Arab American Association? who were funding Hesbalh.
17:48 Obama has taken $20M and spent it to repatriate Hamas agents.
18:30 Obama has been getting money to Hesbalah since the 80s.
19:30 $350M funding from Saudi Arabia into Obama coffers - a felony as well.
19:46 George Soros contribution - also a felony.
20:28 Elegibility issue of Obama is significant.
20:47 Red: in 1939 95% of the black people in this country were literate. They have deteriated ever since.
21:46 Red: Theological connection. No two prophecy teachers agree - so its not God.
23:00 Denominational world is confusion.
23:20 Satan is the God of the religeous world. (1980)
24:20 1979 at holiday inn meeting in Billings MT, a man came in and called Red.
25:05 At breakfast this man said to Red: I've gone to all the monitary conferences...
25:34 Steve (another steve) comes in ...
26:05 "Why doesn't somebody file a treason charge against Obama?" Steve Pidgeon - been done - everybody is in on it.
26:50 Now I see how Bible prophecy can be fulfilled - Obama.
27:30 Muslim Eschatology related to Obama. Mahdi fits Obama.
31:48 Steve Pidgeon - "I think the father has prepared Obama to be the anti-christ should it be his time."
33:40 At the G20 Sept. 23rd, 2009, meeting in Pittsburg, Obama gave Erdogon the green light to reform the Ottoman Empire.
34:30 Erdogon then immediately closes several defense pacts with surounding countries setting up the Beast (ottoman empire) to rise out of the sea.
36:00 Obama also intends to get Jerusalem out of the hands of the Jews.
37:25 At Copenhagen, Obama went there to meet the president of the EU to agree to allow the Ottoman empire to declare itself a nation before the UN.
40:24 Same Reid and Rob Mekenna ignored Steves efforts to being Obama to justice.
40:50 Red: Sued a judge in 1993. All facts to be tried by 7th ammendment trial by Jury - not ruled on yet.
42:20 Every time Red filed to have an issue done by jury the issue was dropped.
43:00 Steve Pidgeon - Barack intends to rule in Jerusalem not here in the US.
44:20 Otoman empire is the nation that recieved the 'fatal headwound'.
47:45 Steve Pidgeon - get "Gods War On Terror."
48:30 Obama will betray everybody.
48:57 Back to Red's story about the guy at breakfast:
49:27 I've never heard of a speaker who could hold a croud like you (red) do.
50:00 Should I write a book? Wrote the "Born again Republic".
52:00 sold first 10,000 copies in a month.
52:50 Education has been hijacked.
53:20 Home schoolers are remarkable.
56:20 Home schoolers are so socially adept.
57:24 Red: Back the the theological issue: confusion
57:42 what happened in the begining? Why did God "repent himself" that he had made man? He made a mistake because he created Lucifer in a previous creation. Where was Lucifer at when there was no light? He was in heaven being an accusor.
59:54 Eternity goes both ways. How many creations have there been?
1:00:50 God turned out the light on the previous creation due to Satans rebelion.
1:01:20 God tells Lucifer he will redeem his planet.
1:02:00 You don't bind a spirit with chains. Man is to subdue and dominate the earth.
1:03:30 Let there be - the spoken word was sufficient. Why on the 6th day did God not say "let there be Adam"? A: He was challenging Lucifer's dominion of the planet when he made man out of the dust of the earth.
1:05:54 There is a plan to redeem this planet. "For God so loved the World".
1:07:20 It would be easier for us to recognize what is happening if we kept this in mind.
1:08:08 Lucifer will be taking on flesh - so he can be chained.
1:08:31 Judaism is anti-christ by definition.
1:08:50 Satan is a counterfieter.
6:09:53 Michael fought with Lucifer over the body of Moses.
1:10:20 The clay body of Jesus now sits at the right hand of God the Father.
1:10:30 Mark of the beast - a counterfiet of the rebirth of salvation - the "Death Again" experience.
1:12:28 In 70s, a guy named John Crans, a small time contractor, weekly meetings at the Holiday Inn in Billings Montana.
1:15:50 John Crans - read Revelation and he said "Christ is comming back and we better be ready."
1:16:14 Steve's bible study on end times.
1:18:00 Beckman on Jewish issue.
1:19:00 Jews are a religion not a race. (I tend to disagree - pharaseism is the religion)
1:20:20 The bankers are todays jews. Ashkanaze Jews.
1:22:20 Catholicism may have been created by the jews.
1:22:50 Steve: What is the popes mitre?
1:23:50 Red: Could Mohamed have been another product of the jews?
1:27:00 Vatican Assasins
1:27:20 Ezekial Emanual - kill off the elderly first. Planned genocide.
1:29:00 Bush indited at world court for war crimes.
1:29:30 Steve: "There is no law"
1:30:00 Red asked to campaign for George Bush by a friend. Within a few months the friend was "straightened out".
1:32:00 Korean War Stories
1:33:30 Steve: Bertram Russel - most evil guy in the world.
1:34:30 Jesuits and Stalin
1:37:00 Margret Chan of the WHO - another evil genocidalist.
1:38:20 AIDS came from a vaccine
1:38:50 Red: Lost a cousin in the war.
1:40:45 Steve: Assasination of McKinly
1:41:25 Planned subversion of US from the beginning.
1:42:00 Red: Sam Pits - inspired The Law that Never Was. (http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp)
1:48:30 S. 240 - Born Again Republic
1:53:00 Gordon Kaul

Freedom Law School

2010-05-18T23:27:00.000-07:00

I decided to participate in freedom law school for my own education and self protection. So I am making this entry the place where I put recordings I am making of the classes.
Fellow students or just the curious can listen to these courses and benefit as I have.

Introduction

Session 1 Refs: Spooner's Trial by Jury Article Whatever Happened to Justice The Law Jonathan Mayhew's Sermon that helped spark the revolution.
Session 2
Session 3

Principles In Liberty 48 - Property Taxes and Persons

2010-04-06T11:44:00.000-07:00

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00:45 What is truth?
01:00: Truth is not a formula, it's a person.
01:15: Truth tends to stick - once a fact is established, it never changes.
01:45: RCW code sections that define a "person":
person definition under the Property Tax Title of the RCW.
person definition under the Motor Vehicle Title of the RCW.
person definition under the Criminal Code of the RCW.
02:51: Allodial titles and how this fits.
03:33: References to the Citizen's Service Center () - definitely check this out!
04:43: A Game Changer - the Law has been written in a deceptive way.
05:38: Real Law vs Administrative Procedures

Principles In Liberty 47

2010-03-16T12:56:00.000-07:00

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01:00 Jane Hague Intro
02:00 My Intro - Note that all the people on the panel have the SAME BOSS!
03:00 I wanted to bring up Allodial title and maybe the two constitutions issue.
03:30 Just a vent meeting but good for Jane to have.
04:00 My questions to the panel (see notes following these)
06:47 End of my comments.
07:10 Jane and Lloyd: "I never heard of this"
07:40 Lloyd: All properties are on the role.
08:20 Lloyd: During the depression the county got $ to have all properties photographed. Over 66000 parsels were not on the records.
09:00 Now with GPS we are even more scientific.
09:30 Jane: Exempt vs Taxed
09:47 Lloyd: Some are not taxed due to state limitations but all are on the roles. The properties are identified but not assessed.
10:35 Jane: Its safe to say that a lot of stuff is no longer taught in our schools.
11:00 Me: There are numerous cases on the internet of people that claim to have gotten allodial titles.
12:00 Other Guest: Whyn Cannon - chairmon of League of Washington Tax Payers.
12:30 5 questions were asked of 15000 people about what they think is happening with government at all levels.
12:50 Q1: What would happen in your mind about government per-se - 26000 answered - Government is to larget (68%)
13:26 Q2: What about the cost of government? A: Too high
13:30 Q3: Why do you feel that? A: Government is spending too much money.
13:48 We are at the point where government is not only providing but they are controling.
14:19 Our property taxes are high on the aspect of control.
14:40 Property taxes have gone up and up and up. How are we doing on the second depression concerning taxation?
15:00 We don't own our homes, our homes are being rented from the government.
15:25 The people are going to have to do something.
15:40 Inituitives - there are now 13 different things that inituitives meet and do.
16:00 We are not being represented. We will be attacking the property tax issue in the comming years.
16:21 The people need to control property taxes.
16:50 Lloyd: Over half your taxes are voter approved.
17:23 My conclusions.
18:00 A grandma that promised to devote the rest of her life to fight property taxes.

Here follows the notes I brought to the meeting and handed out.
Some fundamental questions about Property Taxes
Background:
1. In 1878 the first constitution for the state of Washington was ratified. In that constitution it states: (from http://www.crtf.org/waconst.html#Admin)
“Section 23.
All lands within the state are declared to be allodial, and feudal tenures, with all their incidents, are prohibited.”
2. Somehow, since that time, our property titles have been converted from allodial to a fee-simple form.
3. If I don't pay my property taxes, the county can take (alienate) my property from my control. This effectively makes property taxes a type of rent.
• It appears that many people claim that it is possible to regain allodial title to land by bringing forth the land patent into the current owners name: (see http://www.breakthematrix.com/node/9497
http://freedom-school.com/land_patents-allodial_title.pdf http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=5023.0 )
Questions:
1. How is it that we the people gave up allodial property rights in favor of Fee Simple titles over the past 150 years in every single country in this country? When did we grant this change to the counties and states?
2. Is it true that the county holds two lists of properties on its tax roles - those that are taxed and those that are not?
3. Why are these facts not taught as history in our government schools - including our universities?
4. Is it true that we are entitled to pursue allodial titles in King County and thus remove ourselves from the jurisdiction of property taxes?
Other references:
Washington’s two constitutions: http://www.crtf.org

Principles In Liberty 47

2010-02-05T10:34:00.000-08:00

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This is an interview I picked up from the web and edited down for your convenience.
Lindsay Williams was a chaplan for the oil companies in Alaska in the 70s. I met the man personally back then when he was a speaker for the John Birch Societie's Speakers Bureau and was telling us about the fake oil crisis at the time.
Since that time Lindsay has periodically disclosed things he has learned from oil insiders he has a relationship with from those chaplan days.
Of note, in recent years he has accurately predicted changes in the price of oil many months in advance.
This lecture is what an 87 year old insider told him very recently about What the NWO insiders have planned for the US Ecconomy in 2010.
This appears to be a sales attempt on some DVDs Lindsay has available but I have always respected Lindsay. He may make some money in what he does but I have never known him to fabricate information to do so.

We will see how this year goes.

His predictions:
The NWO couldn't control the food supply so they are going to run the dollar down about 50% in value this year (slow enough so the people don't jump ship) with more to follow in the future.
"There will be a time when Americans won't be able to afford the food in the grocery stores."

Principles In Liberty 46

2010-01-15T00:27:00.000-08:00

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0:0 Interviews with some protesters and some brief comments on HB 2708,2709,2710, 2711, 2712, and HR 2713
4:21:19 Steve Pidgeon Talks
5:00 Enumerated powers of the Federal Government listed
5:47 What's not there - Federal Parks
6:00 Education
6:13 Healthcare
6:14 Titles of Nobility
7:00 Lost 13th Ammendment
8:00 10th Ammendment
8:20 Gold and Silver is lawful tinder
9:00 A republican form of government
9:20 We must raise the banner of freedom in this state. These bills are important.
10:00 Representatives have no legal authority to hold office if they don't respect the constitution.
10:30 Violations of the constitution are tyrany
10:56 Quo Waranto - Allows anybody to file charges against any public office or franchise for userpations of authority.
12:27 Let us support these bills
12:48 Tim Eyman
13:30 We can't trust people. We must trust policies.
14:10 Sports stadium - rejected by voters, built anyway - a watershed moment where the people were publicly ignored.
14:50 $30 car tabs - are we paying that? No.
16:00 The issue today has been voted on 3 times. It should take 2/3rds of the legislature to raise taxes. So we are doing this a 4th time.
17:35 We need better people in place so the inituitive process works. This initiuitve will separate the good guys from the bad ones.
18:15 Tax issues are perfectly separated by party lines.
18:33 Newspapers agree with the people - taxes should not be raised in a recession.
18:50 Don't be overconfident about this inituitive - we need 300,000 signatures.
19:22 That's 2000 signatures per day.
20:20 Sign up to help now.
20:55 Next Tea Party date: July 17th. WashStock
21:30 Wrapup by me
22:00 Rally turnout comments
22:36 People will wake up when they have to.
22:50 My proposal to Tim Eyman - lets make the inituitive process virtual!
24:00 13th amendment was discussed in this podcast.
24:20 A wheelchair veteran was in the audience - were you?
24:40 Got to meet Red Beckman - a neat guy that did a great work.
25:10 Hopefully I will be able to interview Red in a future episode!

Did some cleanup...

2009-10-09T21:02:00.000-07:00

I discovered that my posts were all invisible. It appears that the audio control I used in them referenced some javascript that now has an error in it so I have removed the players from each post and just left the download link. Hopefully this will do the job.

Sandy

Principles In Liberty 45

2009-09-29T23:09:00.000-07:00

E. C. Reigal - Chapter 4 and wrap up.

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00:45 The money power of men.
00:53 Competition is the only means for determining value.
01:30 Two different kinds of credit: commercial and money issuance.
01:48 Commercial credit is more structured.
02:!4 Issuance credit does not need moral responsability but instead capacity to produce.
02:43 Money is so needed that people will work hard for the issuance loan to be returned.
03:13 Issuers must have a red-ink credit ballance to be qualified to issue.
04:30 Clarification of what red-ink balance means.
05:00 Money springs from those who have none, not by the aristocracy.
05:40 Employers vs Employees as issuers compared.
06:49 Labor is the sole basis for value of all commodities.
07:38 Money circles increase societal organization and productivity. The more circles the better.
08:19 Potential issuers are who we want to issue.
09:10 Each man is his own employer.
09:38 Two money misconceptions: Government needs to be involved and that only the wealthy are qualified to issue.
10:12 We must use our tallent to invent a monetary system that allows this idea to work.
10:30 Government calls us consumers but we are the producers.
10:55 Key concept: recognise the dignity of man in ecconomics.
11:15 Never prevent the individual from being able to cast the money ballot.
11:20 If we do this the political democracy will dissolve while the Personal Enterprise System unifies man into better and more productivity.
12:02 Neither electors nor elected can possibly understand the ecconomy.
12:20 A free money system will let individual money votes direct productivity in a more fair and efficient way.
12:50 This is the new approach to freedom.
12:55 My comments...
13:40 Problems with Reigel's ideas for issuance.
14:00 How do you get this issuance into circulation in a way that promotes production?
15:10 Those who don't have money tend to be the least efficient producers.
17:20 Year of Jubilee idea.
18:19 The idea of charity as an ecconomic stimulant.

A New Approach to Freedom - Concept by Concept
E. C. Reigel – Concept by Concept
This is a summary of E. C. Reigel’s “New Approach to Freedom” idea by idea.
• Self Preservation is the first law of nature.
• Capitalism and Private Enterprise are the primary tools of self preservation.
• Because of this, “Personal Enterprise” is the tool used by everyone in society to survive.
• All Profit, consumption, and enterprise are personal.
• Personal Enterprise is motivated by self gain.
• The State is but an inefficient means to self gain. The idea that the state can really help in the personal enterprise process is a delusion.
• Selfishness is not Greed. Greed seeks unfair gain while selfishness motivates productivity.
• Selfishness is refined over time and eventually begins to look like unselfishness.
• Selfishness is the sublime law of being.
• Intelligent selfishness requires the cooperation of others.
• To get cooperation one must give it.
• To give cooperation one must develop oneself morally and spiritually.
• Society began with the principle “to each according to his ability”.
• Cooperation ability derives from having excess to give.
• Cooperation is expressed by exchange.
• Promotion of exchange promotes economic and social advancement.
• Inhibition of exchange is anti-social.
• Exchange development marks the level of civilization.
• The state has historically caused the most interference with exchange.
• Barter is primitive exchange.
• The invention of money removes the limitations of barter.
• The secret of productivity is specialization of labor.
• A product’s value is determined by its salability or exchangeability.
• Thus production is regulated by demand.
• Ignorance of the concept of money can diminish the ability to exchange.
• Personal Enterprise is cooperative and social because to work it must satisfy the wants and needs of others.
• The most intelligently selfish individual is the most socially minded, productive, and creative.
• Competition is the enforcer of the natural law of personal enterprise.
• Buyers and sellers in competition establish the values of services and products.
• Competition compels better cooperation.
• Unfair/dishonest competitors are defeated by honest ones.
• Exchange that operates under the freest competition is best.
• The composite will of those who trade reflects the highest judgment in society.
• In a money system, competition determines the value of the money.
• The personal enterprise system consists of exchange, competition, and specialization of labor. This system comes from natural law, not from man.
• Violation of the natural laws of the personal enterprise system, such as monopoly or price restrictions will inevitably result in loss to the violator if not thwarted by the state.
• Competition brings about economic democratic balloting in a way that does not limit or harm the minority.
• Competition benefits society by restraining greed and thus sustains progress.
• Men do not (cannot) think socially but (must think) individually.
• Competition enforces cooperation and governs the individual away from self-destruction.
• Man is naturally governed by his peers which constitutes natural government.
• Natural government (by competition) is:
o Taxless.
o Pays dividends to society by advancing it.
o Governs by:
 Positive Good
 Negatively by diminishing good through reaction to unpopular conduct.
• Man cannot enjoy life without the cooperation of others.
• Loss of cooperation is a stronger deterrent than any penalty.
• There is no appeal to social exclusion.
• The personal enterprise system cannot be improved by man – it is naturally perfect.
• The personal enterprise system (PES) has always been the victim of political planners. We have never seen a time when this system really worked unhindered.
• Men are motivated by selfishness to constantly increase the efficiency of production.
• This same selfishness tempts men to take the production of others.
• The law of competition governs man away from theft of production. (how?)
• Competition is world government – it operates universally.
• Competition is liked by buyers.
• Competition is disliked by sellers.
• Employees tend to be more buyer than sellers because they only sell their labor infrequently for a job.
• Employers tend to be more sellers because they buy labor and goods less frequently than they sell goods or services.
• The (natural) law breaker tends to find his escape from the enforcer of competition via the state – which is (ostensibly) the upholder of law and order.
• The state is in fact the enemy of free exchange, as it lives by thwarting it.
• The state interferes with the personal enterprise system via:
o Taxes.
o Patents.
o Licenses.
o Subsidies.
o Tariffs.
o Preferential treatment.
o Monetary control. (!!!)
• Thus the state establishes and maintains monopolies.
• The state attracts lobbyists and special interest pleaders.
• When enough elements of society follow the special interests, the personal enterprise system eventually becomes paralyzed and dictatorship and social decay results.
• The process is insidious because:
o Sellers tend to utilize the state to conspire against competition.
o Organized groups within society tend to garner votes and supply money which the politician looks to for election.
o Political democracies actually function by the will of organized minorities rather than by the majority.
o Attacks to the PES are done with the pretense of aiding it.
o The state deflects blame to business.
o The state posses as a friend of freedom and the PES.
o The state stigmatizes black markets which are the ones successfully thwarting the states attempts to control the PES.
o The concentration of power in the state attracts the very elements that would conspire to pervert its function to their unnatural goals.
• There appears to be no safeguard against this insidious operation but to drastically curb the power of the state.
• Self government is the antithesis of state government. Power surrendered by one is granted to the other.
• Man has not yet devised a system that permits full self government.
• The natural government of man is the free market.
• The common concept of the free market is that it is purely materialistic and devoid of moral restraint.
• The free market is the most spiritual agenda possible to contrive.
• The free market or PES is the only system that would enforce the golden rule.
• Every enactment of a political law means the repeal of a natural law.
• Realization of this fact by society is how the trend to statism is reversed.
• The most effective method the state has to stop the citizen from governing government is the money power.
• When the money ballot is thwarted, the political ballot becomes a farce and is no defense against tyranny.
• A people who cannot distinguish between money created by the state and money created by the PES cannot govern themselves.
• Freedom is the ability to exchange.
• Exchange -> productivity -> wealth -> social intercourse -> freedom.
• Constitutions do not create freedom. They merely bind the state to allow freedom to be pursued by the PES.
• Exchange is the method by which production is digested by society.
• If the state gains power over the PES sufficiently, devolution of society results.
• The danger of this is real because economic distortions get blamed on business and the state is viewed as the cure – when in fact it is the cause.
• The PES has no ideology.
• The state often uses ideology to justify its cures.
• That which opposes the PES opposes freedom.
• Civilization began with barter.
• Barter limits exchange by requiring both parties to symmetrically hold that which the other desires at some time and place.
• Common commodities were soon used to supplement exchange by barter. This increased the odds that an exchange could take place.
• Precious metals became the most efficient commodities to support barter.
• Next arrived promises to deliver the metals, removing the need to carry the metals to do business.
• The use of promises allowed the trading parties to separate the exchange into two halves that were independent in time and place.
• Promises introduced the element of faith.
• Because money is so sorely needed, people have accepted promises as money and have exposed themselves to fraud.
• Money and Credit (trust in a promise to deliver a commodity) are two different things.
• Using money does not supplant barter. It merely separates exchanges into multiple parts.
• Faith is the basis of the power to issue money.
• Man must understand money so he can know who’s issuances to trust.
• For money to function is must be protected from false issuers.
• Specialization of labor is needed to facilitate exchange.
• Cooperative organization is needed to specialize.
• Money divides barter into multiple pieces, allowing for the creation of multiple circles of circulation.
• Money ties men together into complex cooperative groups.
• Each man or group only chooses who to buy and sell with and otherwise concentrates on personal productivity.
• Money does not circulate indefinitely.
• Money retirement happens when the issuing bank loan is paid off.
• Money circulation lifespan can vary greatly.
• Money organizes true competitors and eliminates those who fail to compete.
• Money converts man from a creature at the mercy of nature into a collective cooperative operating on individual free will choice, which creates a “social will” that moves society ever higher and releases spontaneous invention, discovery, recreation and artistic expression.
• The word money has two meanings:
o The instrument that manifests the concept of money.
o The Concept itself – the idea of split barter trading springing from a debt and returned by an offsetting credit of wealth produced.
• Money may be in the form of a check which specifies the receiver, or it may take the form of currency which is valid for any user.
• Money instruments need not have any intrinsic value.
• Banks act as money bookkeepers and process transfers between trading accounts.
• The bank records are a reflection of the book records of the traders themselves.
• Banks do not issue money – they merely allow traders to do so.
• The trader must initiate money issuance by writing a check thus incurring a debt.
• The trader’s check may be to a specific person or an order for currency.
• Currency is a transformation of a demand by a trader made to a bank.
• Banks effectively certify the credit of the issuer.
• The Bank receives a check from the trader to transfer liability for the currency from the bank to the trader.
• Banks cannot, by themselves, issue currency of loan money.
• Banks do not loan capital, surplus or depositors funds.
• Banks merely authorize the borrower to increase the money supply.
• The currency may bear the name of the bank or government but it is still the issue of the writer of the check/promise that backs it.
• Money permits value to be disconnected from a commodity/service to facilitate exchange.
• Coins, though useful for making change and holding intrinsic value, are nevertheless no more valuable than currency. Their intrinsic value merely ties them closer to whole barter.
• A commodity can never act as money because the purpose of money is to escape the limitations of whole barter.
• Money is expressed in terms of an abstract unit of value.
• The true value of the abstract unit is established by actual trade of that unit.
• No law or authority can give a value to a monetary unit.
• Money is an obligation expressed in terms of a value unit and issued by a buyer in exchange for value from a seller. It is transferable and acceptable to other sellers for equivalent value, and is ultimately redeemed for equivalent value by the issuer.
• A monetary system requires:
o Limitation of issue power
o Competition
• Our current state run system does not meet these requirements and therefore what we call money is not – by our definition.
o The state has no limit of issue
o The state has no productivity to back up its issuance.
• The state is engaged in counterfeiting but its crime is much more serious than that of normal counterfeiters because its issue cannot be distinguished from legitimate issue and can thus never be removed from circulation.
• Counterfeiting reduces the value of each monetary unit – ie. It causes inflation.
• The whole money supply includes:
o Commercial bank accounts
o Savings bank accounts
o Currency in circulation
• Only (counterfeited) money that comes into actual circulation effects prices because only it is subject to competition.
• Buyer panic could result in counterfeited currency suddenly coming into circulation, resulting is rapid inflation which promotes more panic.
• When the state issues a large amount of counterfeited money, it defers reaction by inducing people to “save”.
• The state establishes counterfeit money circulation by comingling its issues with that of legitimate private issues (loans).
• Mock money issues:
o Taxes the people covertly
o Extracts goods and services from the economy using worthless paper.
o Disturbs exchange by causing the money unit to undergo frequent changes, making long term agreements more risky.
• Government counterfeiting results in a parade of interests flocking to government for what appears to be in inexhaustible fountain of cash but which is actually robbing the productive segment of society to pay for the desires of the most corrupt.
• To hide the consequences, government resorts to price controls which dry up supply and brings in more government control too keep things flowing.
• Politicians use the money power to buy elections and favors. The temporary stimulus given to business by spending gives the politician time to hide once the consequences of his actions become apparent.
• The money power allows governments to wage war without having to consult the public first.
• Eventually, the PES is demoralized and gets blamed for the problem. Government then assumes the means of production and becomes the full tyrant.
• Government “service” is a misnomer because what government “trades” in taxes for its services is mandatory. There is no competition and thus no way to value its services to determine if its taxes are fair.
• When government uses the money power to tax people, it appears to be a supplier of wealth and a benefit to the economy, when in fact it is stealing and hurting the economy at the same time.
• The state, regardless of what people think, is the agent of exploitative groups who invoke it to thwart the operation of natural laws.
• Even a global federation of nations would change nothing as long as the money power was still in place. It continues to be a focal point for special interest exploitation.
• World government already exists on the economic plane.
• Wars are the result of government’s war against the PES.
• Each state destabilizes its own monetary unit, thus impeding not only intra-state exchange but inter-state exchange as well.
• Once a unified system, completely free of all governments, exists to facilitate global exchange, it will act as such a unifying power that wars will become a thing of the past.
• Such a system is possible without the enactment of any laws. Merely the absence of laws would allow it to take over.
• Since there are no laws prohibiting such a system, it is up to us to simply implement one.
• We need a universal monetary language that:
o Has no national complexion
o Has no political complexion.
o Is available to enterprisers in all parts of the world.
• Once in existence, such a system will naturally attract participants by self-interest.
• Transactions within this system will diminish those within the political systems.
• Eventually political moneys will be abolished. All this comes from freedom of choice.
• Competition is required to assure money acceptors that the value is equivalent to what it was at the time of surrender.
• Individual issuer credibility is handled by the bank-issuer relationship and becomes unimportant in the big picture.
• This obviates the need for only the wealthy to be issuers.
• Commercial credit:
o This is a loan of money from a bank’s deposits.
o Derived from a promise to deliver money or goods to the creditor.
o Defaultable by nature. It’s a gamble on the part of the bank.
o More rigidly structured.
o Stipulates a specific creditor and date of maturity.
o Usually backed by loan collateral.
• Money creating credit:
o Created by a demand for cash by a bank certified producer.
o Not subject to intentional default.
o Issuer wants his money (by selling his commodity/service).
o (I don’t get exactly how issuer’s can’t default and how they can get a loan with a negative balance. It might be that when an issuer issues money he does not receive the money to spend it – but I can’t see how that works either. The issue must be spent into circulation or somehow given away.)
• The qualifier of an issuer is his capacity to deliver value to the market.
• The need of money precedes issuance.
• To issue money, an issuer must first establish a red ink balance with the bank.
• Employee (labor providing) issuers are less speculative than Employer (goods providing) issuers because labor is the common commodity needed for all production.
• All money is service money.
• Man’s labor is the natural fountain of all money.
• By humanizing the issuance of money we provide more circles of money flow to organize society.
• No producer should be dependent upon other’s money circles.
• When a producer finds himself outside all circles, it serves society for him to issue money to create his own circle so he can produce.
• Issuing money allows the issuer to buy which absorbs materialized labor and creates demand for more.
• When we buy from others we indirectly buy from ourselves (if we are a producer).
• Every man is his own employer and must be allowed to buy the production of others.
• This is a check against unemployment and depression.
• Money misconceptions:
o Government is allowed to issue but it does not produce.
o Producers are not allowed to issue, yet are naturally qualified to do so.
• The key concept in creating a good monetary system is recognizing the dignity of man as the producer of the means of exchange.
• Producer issued money becomes a sacred monetary ballot which will eventually confine the state to its proper activities.
• Political democracy is a snare when applied to economics.
• Neither the elector nor the elected can understand the complex interactions of forces in an economy.
• In a monetary democracy, the elector gets to cast his ballot frequently and subjectively from his own perspective as he pursues happiness. The minority are not shut out in such a system.
• A monetary democracy is the New Approach to Freedom

Principles In Liberty 44

2009-09-09T21:15:00.000-07:00

The Thoughts of E. C. ReigalPart 2

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E.C. Reigel - Chapter 3

00:45 Issuer of money is the first and last link.
01:20 Requirements: Limitation of issuance and Competition. Without these prerequisites, we don't have money.
01:55 State issuance of money is the same as counterfiet except its worse than normal counterfiet.
02:38 Government issue of fiat currency does NOT increase the money supply it merely inflates the existing money/wealth.
03:10 Only money in the market effects prices. Money in the bank doesn't appear till traded.
03:40 Government thus induces savings to defer the day of reconing.
04:05 Obama is doing just this.
05:15 Mock money issues taxes invisibly and disturbs true exchange.
05:49 Democracy Defeated:
06:00 This process is invisible theft which ends up being blamed on business.
08:00 Fleeing admition of the original sin causes government to flee to expedient tyrany to escape its responsibility for ecconomic woes.
09:30 WIthout the ability to inflate money, the government would be forced to immediately pay for its expenses and the electorate would be alerted to its waste.
09:35 How the money power is used to force the people into wars.
11:04 Monitary power is man's sovreign power.
11:33 Constitutional history regarding the money power. The power to borrow is the power to create money.
13:10 The power to coin money has been misinterpreted as the power to make money. Not abused till the Civil War.
15:00 Money starts in banks.
15:30 Why government can't issue honest money - it doesn't sell a voluntary "service".
17:00 How government appears to create money rather than tax it.
18:26 The monetary Union of Peoples:
19:00 The state is the bad guy, not the good guy. But this comes about from the general ignorance of money.
20:20 Interstate wars are more the result of nations trying to prevent the natural unification of economies.
20:50 Counterfiet issues destabilize national money systems making unification more difficult.
22:00 Once a natural money system is universally adopted, world peace follows naturally.
22:30 We only need the absence of government interference to implement such a system.
23:50 End of chapter 3; My comments
24:18 Case in point: Norfed
24:58 An option I thought of: Honey

Principles In Liberty 43

2009-08-31T12:01:00.000-07:00

The Thoughts of E. C. ReigelPart 2

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The Thoughts of E. C. Reigel Part 2
00:37 Chapter 2 - The difference between barter, credit and money.
04:41 Money and Credit are not the same - my comments
07:07 Money - the organizer
09:21 Money has a lifespan
12:07 System and Unit
12:10 Money has two meanings - the concept and the instrument
10:04 To think of currency as money and checks as substitute money is profoundly mistaken.
17:34 Defn. of money
17:51 My comments
19:20 Government gets into every exchange.
19:44 Income tax is getting into an exchange.
20:20 Federal Reserve is getting into the creation of money and the interest forces the creation of more money.
21:50 Dave Ramsey - good guy but may be leading us down the wrong path
25:05 What Reigal is teaching should be taught in every high school.
26:40 California's IOUs = theft becasue they won't take what they dish out.
27:49 We can use contract to make our own money.
29:25 Prerequisite to this working is integrety.

Principles In Liberty 42

2009-07-28T21:44:00.000-07:00

The Thoughts of E. C. ReigelPart 1

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00:00 Intro - This is AMAZING! Check it out.
00:44 PDF of the book
01:50 Chapter 1: What is Freedom?
08:00 some comments
09:10 The enforcer of the natural law - competition
14:50 The breaker of the natural law - the state
21:55 some comments
22:33 Self Government - commerce - the only true democracy
27:40 some comments
28:53 What is freedom - conclusion of chapter 1
33:21 closing comments

Principles In Liberty 41

2009-06-29T11:34:00.001-07:00

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Just me talking
01:19 A little biographical information
02:00 JBS info and contrasted with the Campaign For Liberty
04:07 School Textbooks proved to me the conspiracy was real.
05:40 Why did the JBS fail?
05:59 How does C4L compare?
06:30 Is it human nature? What the average person has to do.
07:30 Burn-out
08:52 Is C4L gonna work? Contrasted with other groups.
10:12 We're not really here to give in a collective sense.
11:16 The west is dying
11:40 Look at the church's movement westward.
13:00 Eschatological battle in my mind.
13:30 The moral law is the key behind the civil law and freedom.
13:50 The golden rule
13:58 The bronze rule
15:20 Charity is the perfect thing to do - fits both rules.
16:06 I don't have a conclusion - I'm lookin
16:39 The family is the core of society - its a given.
17:10 The fruit of the Huxley way
17:30 Education - must be done in the family.
17:52 Madison Ave. Propaganda system + tax system makes it near impossible to fix society.
18:20 Fixing the system is always an uphill battle by nature.
19:15 The whole world is reaping the product of post-modern thinking.
19:53 I'm stuck - do what you can. Love one another.
20:15 Love at different levels.
21:20 There is a blessing in doing love - it must be seen to keep you going.

Principles In Liberty 40

2009-06-11T15:47:00.000-07:00

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01:15 Tom Woods
01:20 Why we should be encouraged (and terrified).
02:12 Very Significant - we are starting to claw our way out of a system that has given us our leaders by propaganda
02:40 Questioning the 7th Grade Teacher syndrome - getting the genuine history.
04:07 In the 19th century people actually talked about money issues.
04:30 Starting in 1913 we were told to leave that to the experts.
05:36 The terms of the debate are predecided.
05:57 In comes Ron Paul and breaks the blocade of discussion.
06:52 We are starting to set the terms of the debate.
07:20 We are taking a bazooka to the issues concerning the FED
08:07 Good things happening: Bob Murphy
10:35 NYT refused to review the book Meltdown.
12:13 End the Fed - Ron Pauls book.
12:50 Non-book events: Judge Napolitano's
13:39 Light and truth just need a little crack to shine.
14:12 Ron's opponent in the primary: Trey Grayson - a drone.
15:45 Ludwig Von Mises Institute
16:30 Pope John Paul made it visible the difference in numbers from the governed and the govornors. We are numerous - at least 200000.
18:00 Ron Paul gets the credit.
18:45 The ecconomics sphere will never be the same. The Von Mises sphere is the fastest growing one.
20:24 At least we are going to put up a fight.
21:03 We don't have the luxury of listening to speaches and then going home. We know what is happening - we are under a special obligation.
21:57 Reading List to get up to speed
23:00 A prominent professor admitted he just chose the theory to teach based on the prevaling political thought with no research at all.
24:15 We need an array of talents working together to fix things.
24:54 Von Mises Quote!!!
26:00 Anthony Gregory - MC
26:10 Ron Paul is a giant in history. He started warning us back in the 1970s.
27:07 Rudi Juliani Debate
27:20 He took up a cause against the central bank and worned us and is now vindicated once again.
28:36 He not only was right but has exposed to us how many of us there are.
29:29 Ron Paul talks:
30:00 Thanks - this effort is starting to pay off.
30:14 Things are changing in washington - they know you're out there and they are starting to pay attention - numbers count.
31:07 HR 1207 is comming along with 127 co-sponsors.
31:40 The conditions are different now and we are getting peoples attention.
32:55 If you had not been active, it wouldn't have happened.
33:22 Economy is obviously a big issues - some good things comming out of the debate.
33:40 Contrast with 1929 crash - Kainsianism was just comming into vogue back then. Now Mises is comming into vogue. Who will get blamed?
34:48 This time we have the edge - they can't blame the gold standard this time.
35:21 Conditions are different than they have ever been in the history of the world.
36:45 I think we as a country will suffer more because we gained more in the bubble.
37:25 People in washington don't even blink an eye at a trillion $.
38:00 If they can bail out AIG, they can bail out California.
38:40 The FED is on its last legs.
38:56 The possibility of the FED self-destructing is real but we can't sit back and wait.
39:30 Civil War situation contrasted.
40:50 Currencies go quickly at the end
41:29 Even if we lost all our wealth but kept our liberty we would be back on our feet very soon.
41:54 What I would ask if I were president - repeal the income tax.
42:56 Cut overseas spending.
44:02 Democrats add spending, Republicans then gripe, then the Republicans pass their own spending increase.
44:53 The people are way ahead of the congress.
45:03 The war on drugs - its worthless - its a war on the people.
45:49 Even doctors prescribed drugs are horrible.
47:30 Prohibition - that needed an ammendment to do - why doesn't the war on drugs?
48:18 CA needs states rights. Maybe they would pay their own bills then.
48:48 Environment - the left understands the arguement for state rights.
49:46 Local government is best - but the opposition is pushing world government.
50:35 WTO wants to regulate drugs and food.
51:00 If there is a total collapse of the $ I think the people will just ignore washington.
52:00 The intellectual fight needs to be won - defend honest money, limited government.
52:30 Ex. Credit Card Bill = price fixing.
53:35 We have pretty good respect for freedom of religion but it doesn't translate to what we put in our bodies.
54:15 Hemp vs Raw Milk issue.
54:30 The philosophy of us taking care of ourselves and helping our friends freely should win.
55:00 Car company bailout issue
55:45 Cap and Trade - it will liquidate your wallet forever.
56:49 Young people are loosing confidence in all the spending.
58:00 Ron is seeing all kinds of people who already know about sound ecconomics.
59:20 Global warming - we have to answer these questions.
59:50 I have no hope in the prevailing bailout programs.
01:01:00 The War - is it legal? Is it moral? Does it do any good?
01:01:45 Mathew Alexander - How to break a terrorist.
01:03:15 I never go to secret meetings. You never learn a thing. All you hear is propaganda.
01:04:15 Policies don't change - but they talk about it all the time. Gauntanamo Bay.
01:05:45 The idea that we have to fight them there so we don't fight them here makes no sense.
01:06:00 We have lost 5000 more americans, displaced 2.5M people over 911 - we have not fixed a thing.
01:06:45 All we are doing is making it easier for them to get us - so said Sadam Hussein.
01:07:11 I am convinced that the bankruptcy will be comming.
01:07:38 Optimism comes from telling the truth, having transparency and letting people know where we stand.
01:08:12 On the contrary, if all we hear are lies - who can we believe?
01:09:00 The people are beginning to no longer believe what we (politicians) say.
01:09:55 What should you do? Do what you want to do. Work where you are gifted.
01:10:40 The rule of law is crucial.
01:12:00 Liberty provides self reliance and happiness in life.
01:12:50 Liberty is key and I am optimistic that we can work our way out of this.

Principles In Liberty 39

2009-05-27T08:37:00.000-07:00

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00:55 Booth Interviews: 1) The Free Enterprise Society: Paying wages in silver
03:12 Stranger in the hall 2) Liberty works radio network - 27M listeners
05:10 Libertarian Party: Small Debate about who's rights get protected
11:51 Audience Member 1: Involved in 2007. Got involved via an email from a friend., UTube,
12:52 Member 2: Used to be a "DC" apathetic libertarian till he heard Ron Paul. 20 Years Old.
13:42 Member 3: Theatre Student: "He told the truth" a surprising thing. "Probably the most truthful politician in American History."
14:40 Can the Republican Party be saved? A: Maybe. lindsey graham
16:04 Members 4&5: 2004 voted for Bush - raised a Republican, then I started thinking - things didn't make sense. 2008 candidates: all the same.
17:44 Peter Schiff. Stockpiling food. So. Carolina debate - Ron Paul stood out from the crowd.
18:57 Do you think Ron Paul's election was stolen? A: Yah. Now I think they just fight to be in power - there isn't a hope.
20:42 Jay Inslee was in a debate with Newt Gingrich.
21:20 Member 6: We need to get back to the constitution. Followed Ron since 1970s.
22:39 Member 7: Two young guys (maybe gay?) "If I thought Ron had a significant chance, I would for sure support him." "The reasons for the war didn't make sense and I think 911 was an inside job." The Shaw instilation had a blowback which Ron Paul predicted. "That man is telling the truth."
25:03 Do you think we have a chance? A: If this money does not help the ecconomy we will have severe inflation. More people will start to pay attention.
25:58 A lot of our politicians don't understand the conspiracy stuff but they are now begining to wake up to the need to audit the FED.
27:47 Member 8: Black Vet. age 34: Ron got my attention when I listened to his different views. I was shocked when I first heard him that he was able to carve a place in Washington.
29:07 Even though he thrashed his opponents in the debates the Media never gave him a fair chance.
29:36 Was the nomination stolen from him? A: I think yes. The primaries were taken from him.
30:25 It seems Obama's rise was a little too easy.
30:39 I would support Alan Keys and Synthia McKenny.
31:19 what was your take on the Iraq War? A: For me mostly boring, mostly a wast of taxpayer money.
32:08 Obviously the war was wrong.
32:38 Its obvious from the lack of investigations that its totally bogus.
33:18 Military Industrial Complex is why we are in that war and oil.
34:06 911 was an inside job. I kept an open mind but eventually I cought on.
34:41 There was a whitewash investigation - evidence removed, people who do investigate thend to get marginalized.
35:25 "American's are largely a compfortable people" I don't think that without 911 we would have woken up.
36:52 The information is definitely out there (with the internet) so they have no choice but to wake up.
38:10 My conclusions for this segment

An interesting video 38b

2009-05-13T09:51:00.001-07:00

Simple but true. Jay Inslee is obviously the salesman in this story.

Principles In Liberty 38 - a visit with Jay Inslee

2009-05-12T02:59:00.000-07:00

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Recorded on 5-10-2009
00:15 Intro
01:00 Jay sets the stage
01:38 My comments - The setup: socialist methodology right off the bat
02:16 Where does the federal govt. get jurisdiction over healthcare from the constitution?
02:50 Veterans picked first to hide behind
03:05 Healthcare question from the audience - will you do whatever Obama says? Audience cheers and boos
05:15 My comments: the maturity of the audience lets Jay play them like a pro.
06:00 Jays response - we will disagree, please don't boo
07:10 I don't rubber stamp anything
07:19 My comments - How many bills have you voted for without having read them besides the patriot act and the stimulus package? That is a rubber stamp.
08:18 Jay is not interested in our opinions - he didn't want my written questions. He is putting on a show.
09:20 Jay: "I represent the people I represent"
09:51 You want choice preserved - we will do that. You can keep what you have now.
10:56 We would make changes to the existing private insurance - no longer be able to deny coverage to certain persons.
12:05 My comments - This is interference in the right to privately contract - and is unconstitutional and socalist in nature.
13:44 The inability for insurance companies to discriminate forces them to become expensive and they will not be able to compete with the government system.
14:30 This is not fair competition - the government has taxes to back itself up while insurance companies don't.
15:35 Jay: 3rd: We subsidize the premiums of the poor.
16:06 Sandy: Subsidies are not free - them come from the people - this is theft.
17:10 Jay: Proposal of how to pay for subsidy: a) Efficiencies in the scale and technology of the system, b) More preventative health c) additional taxes on the rich. (over $250k/year)
18:43 Sandy: You are admitting you are a socialist and you don't care about the law.
19:12 Sandy: Look at how the income tax was sold as a tax on the rich.
20:11 Jay: The devil is in the details. There will be a big debate during the discussion. Obama want's every american to get the same coverage the congressmen get.
21:35 Sandy: This is backwards. Congressmen should get the same coverage as their constituents not the other way around.
22:23 Audience memger: What about single payer insurance?
"Single payer health insurance is a system by which the health care expenditures of an entire population are paid for through one source the Federal government or a subcontracting entity using tax revenue from individuals and employers."
23:50 Jay: We tried to get single payer system with Clinton but it failed to pass. It's a bridge too far. We need to go incrementally.
24:11 Sandy: Single payer coverage will destroy all private medical systems because there will be no way to compete with tax funded government services.
26:12 Progressive Caucus Audience member: Why have you not yet signed on to HR 676?
27:00 Jay: Not likely passable. If I could write poetry the bills would be different. My job is to make progress where it can be achieved.
27:44 Jay: Example: Cash for Clunkers bill. Comprimised on the voucher requirements and got it passed - beats doing nothing.
28:26 Jay: People are desperate for healthcare right now. Real people need healthcare now.
29:32 Sandy: Healthcare costs have gone up as government interference has increased. Healthcare is not static. It is bursting to break into a new paradigm but it can't do this under the present limitations imposed by the government and drug company interests.
32:14 Sandy: How can a centralized system encourage preventative medicine without controling the actions of everyone - telling each of us what to eat and when to exercies. Its total slavery.
33:11 Audience follow up Q: HR 1826 - Take corporations out of elections so we are properly represented.
33:40 Jay: Nobody tells your congressman how to vote. I support public campaign financing since 1994.
34:15 Sandy: Here's my suggestion for campaign reform: Make the districts smaller and have a larger house of representatives.
37:11 Ken Burra says the military does take care of its workers.
38:00 Jay: we have not been funding the VA adequately and is an embarrasment and has improved.
38:30 Sandy: When government funds healthcare there is no limit to its cost. Costs rise the more $ you throw at the problem.
39:30 Sandy: VA situation - We shouldn't have professional soldiers and standing armies. We have tons of problems that have risen from these policies.
40:00 Sandy: I support opposing the war but congress should have declared war instead of just allowing military use but no declaration of war.
41:00 Audience: Would you agree that we had good healthcare in the 60s? What about the HMO act of 1972? Didn't this cause the bills to go high?
42:00 Audience: How did the HMO act cause this change in medical care costs:
42:20 Jay: I don't understand what you are saying.
42:51 Jay's stab at an answer: "Not all HMOs are created evil." Better decisions about procedures will help. More preventative care. Need more evidence based medicine to improve decisions. We need better standards.
44:24 Sandy: This guys point is probably right. He is trying to solve the cause not slap on another solution.
44:45 Sandy: The techniquie of growing government: create a problem and offer your solution.
45:30 Sandy: Medicine is ready to explode in quality and efficiency if we can just be free.
46:13 Sandy: I have a Dr. that can do better and cheaper tests than an MRI but those methods are not accepted as "standard". The status quo doesn't want a paradigm shift.
47:00 Sandy: These experiments should be done at the state level.
47:30 Audience: Why do we have to have a job to have health insurance.
49:00 Jay: Single payer option - I want people to have a choice to use a government medical plan like medicare. The insurance companies don't want this because it will cost less and they will lose customers.
50:39 Sandy: Choice - to go outside the constitution. Government as a service is the begining of the end. Europe has this - a nice comfey box. People have different ideas and desires. Taxes for this purpose is theft as outlined in the communist manifesto. All you do when you steal is create pain and destroy wealth - it never solves problems. I am sorry for this guy stuck in the trap set by government.
53:43 Sandy: Ex: Microsoft health insurance for me cost the company $15k/year. I had no option to decline that coverage and take the cash because the HMO agreement is made in the whole. Individuals do not have the option to take or leave the coverage. If I denied myself the coverage it would still cost Microsoft $15k/year for me.
55:13 Jay: Budget and tax issues
56:00 Audience: Water flouridation - its bad for our health - I have 200 pages of documentation for you. I don't understand why we continue to flouridate the water.
57:00 Jay: My understanding is that it is a health benefit but I am open to new information. Lets take a budget or tax question.
57:20 Sandy: This audience member is missing the real point - the constitution does not grant the federal government the right to flouridate our water.
58:00 Audience: Sin tax suggestion: Lets tax cigarettes more. A use tax is more fair to fund these healthcare programs.
59:00 Jay: I support the idea.
59:30 Jay: We just passed a bill after 15 years of work, to allow the FDA to monitor and regulate tomacco.
59:50 Jay: Your idea may be good but you get to a level where increasing the taxes decreases revenues - but maybe thats good.
01:00:17 Audience: I'm concerned about the ecconomic situation - recless spending is going to have to be paid by future generations.
01:00:56 Jay: We are very much behind the eight ball on this. We do know we have to change the long-term fiscal condition of the country.
01:01:26 Jay: I voted for the stimulus bill that was not paid for. I thought it was the right decision due to the crisis at the moment. Had we not given the ecconomy a boost we might have seen what happened in the 30s.
01:02:30 Short term: I look forward to when we are not suporting the Iraq War. We have been paying for the war with borrowed money. "I always thought that was wrong frankly."
01:02:51 Jay: I voted against the original Iraq war. I thought if we were to fight this war, all of us should be engaged in it.
01:03:19 Sandy: What war? No war was declared. But thanks Jay for voting against it!
01:03:47 Jay: A huge part of the federal budget is healthcare. The rate of medical inflation has to be brought down. That is where the budget cancer is. Comparing the demographics we see even bigger problems here.
01:05:47 Jay: If you want to solve the deficit problem it will involve pain.
01:06:17 Audience: NAFTA - We've watched our jobs leave this country - shouldn't we take another look at this? Think about how much $ we have lost due to NAFTA. Lets go back and relook at NAFTA.
01:08:00 Jay: Obama addressed the truck issue. He has not said he wants to address NAFTA.
01:08:36 Jay: How about global warming - something fair to our manufacturers. Lets move on to other people now.
01:13:58 Bob Horn: Finincal Justice in America. The bank bailouts have left us with a financial oligarchy in place with no check on the bankers. (Loud Applause)
01:15:05 Jay: "So I guess there's not many oligarch's in the audience" (Laughter) Halalula to what you're saying. I voted against the original bailout bill. But there wasn't any real criteria on who would get the $ or any transparency. We don't even know where the money has gone.
01:15:15 Sandy: You voted against it but you cosponsored it . You JERK!!!
01:16:12 Jay: Explains why he voted against the stimulus bill that he sponsored. We weep in sympathy. We love you Jay.
01:18:55 Audience: We want transparency in government. HR 1207 - audit the FED.
01:20:00 Jay: My name will be on that by 10AM Tuesday morning.
01:20:19 Audience: Stimulus bill was missing some things. Get with me and explain retirement for single COBRA people.
01:22:20 Jay: for individual issues - contact my staff.
01:22:40 Audience: Social Security Tax Limit raising - why do we have a limit on how much SSN tax we pay?
01:23:40 Jay: "I favor a progressive tax system"
01:23:42 Sandy: Thanks Jay. See the third plank of the communist manifesto.
01:24:00 Jay: Talks about Obama moving for a more progressive imcome tax scale.
01:25:16 Sandy: Jay votes for theft.
01:28:10 Audience: Cap and Trade: CO2 and Climate connection has never been proven. (boos and cheers) Petition of 32,000+ scientists to make this point. You are being unfair and non-democratic not to listen to this side of the debate. (boos and cheers)
01:29:47 Jay: "Apparently people think we will have an applause meter."
01:30:11 Jay: Its really regetable that the debate about CO2 got tinged by politics.
01:30:57 I went to a NOAA ship about 3 months ago. They studied the ocean conditions off the coast. They looked at the acidity of the water. The ocean water is becomming much more acidic due to CO2. The oceans are 30% more acidic than before the industrial age. Nobody disputes these acidic conditions in the water. Some of those effects COULD be - suppressing life that creates calcium carbonate. If you cange the pH enough, you can percipitate it into a calcium carbonate structure. Note the Virgin Islands coral reef is dead due to the warming of the water and perhapse due to the pH change of the water. If you don't believe in global warming, think about this acidification issue. Salmon depond on planktion for their food. (applause)
01:35:47 So what do we do about it? When we think of this issue, we need to think of it as an ecconomic opportunity. We are in a race to create jobs for the future. We are now in a race with China to see who will build electric cars. Danes have wind turbines. Germans have surpassed us in solar energy. We need to look at this as a race to make America the leader in clean energy. I want to create the policies to help us create these jobs. This bill would level the playing field between the fossil fuel industries and the clean energies. The CO2 tax equalizes this playing field.
01:38:52 Sandy: comments
01:45:40 Audience: It feels like the taxpayers are almost like those movies with the slaves in the lower decks running the ship. If the workers stop - we are dead. Are the rich going to make sacrafices to keep the workers alive?
01:48:15 Jay: No. In congress I've learned about greed. Enron for example. We have poor people who can't pay their energy bills while your market manipulations make you millions? "You don't understand ecconomics." The executives must recognize the public interest. Now they are getting the benefit of taxpayer money they need to be more responsible.
01:50:28 Sandy: Jay is right. That with the government subsidizes - it controls.
01:52:04 Sandy: Example from highschool - the robber barons.
01:56:15 Jay: I am very disturbed about the education layoffs going on now.
01:56:21 Audience: Student loans - canned to save 94Billion
01:56:46 Jay: Yes I believe it has the capacity to increase available funds for student loans.
01:57:04 Audience: Credit rating agencies. Bonds for corporations and municipalites are different.
01:57:55 Jay: send me more info.
01:58:00 Jay: open floor
01:58:10 Audience: Grid systems for electric cars.
01:58:50 Jay: we can't use all the electrictiy we can produce without a better grid system. Backstop siteing authorities. Electric cars - we need them.
02:00:00 Jay: There are amazing advances in technology to enable electric cars. I'm glad I got $2Billion into the stimulus package to support electric cars.
02:00:30 Sandy: You're right but centralized methods of advancing progress are way to slow to keep up with technology changes. Besides, its against the law for the federal government to be involved in energy production - if you want this, support a constitutional emmendment and let 3/4 of the nation choose to turn this nation into a socialist state legally. Stop going around the law Jay!
02:04:04 Mary Whitmore: Social Security Tax Cap: The vast majority of americans pay on every $ they earn but to the top 1% it's just spare change. Its unfair.
02:05:00 I and Obama are looking for a more progressive tax system.
02:05:30 Audience: What is your position on term limits? What will happen to the Gitmo detainees?
02:06:15 Jay: I believe in the old fashion term limits - as long as they are doing a good job, let them stay. Not so for the president though.
02:06:55 Sandy: right on Jay!
02:07:00 Jay: Its important to the rest of the world that we not have Gitmo. The world want's us to be the leaders in democracy.
02:07:37 Sandy: Its a republic not a democracy.
02:08:30 Jay: We lost that special place in the eyes of the world. We lost touch with common sense due to fear and we didn't always follow the law.
02:08:53 Sandy: an amazing quote Jay. amazing.
02:09:25 Jay: Gitmo is a symbol of lawlessness - so its good to close Gitmo.
02:09:53 Tamera: Citizen Safety: Loss of Credit is putting a lot of people on the streets. Car accidents. Do you support our state Sovreignty? The people of the state dictating where our national guard goes to.
02:11:26 Jay: I support states doing what the constituion says which is to provide services to their state citizens as they see fit to provide.
02:11:56 Sandy: What constitution are you reading Jay?
02:12:36 Jay: I do not support state sovreignty to allow slavery in Georgia or the pole tax in Mississippi, or to refuse employment based on sexual gender. So there are individual rights that exceed the state's rights.
02:13:18 Sandy: I thought the question was clear. States do have the right to maintain their own militias and you have cleverly equated that with infringing on individual rights and then changed the subject - nice move Jay.
02:14:54 Audience: Are you familiar with everify? It matches a person's name with an SSN. Will you support everify?
02:16:08 Jay: Sounds worthy of my time. Having seen the multiple foulups in government databases I want to make sure it works.
02:17:41 Jay: Border patrol issue: we have significantly improved our border interdiction and it has been expensive to do.
02:18:26 Audience: Do you support union card check?
02:!8:50 Jay: I support us going back to how it was before 1974. I support choice in union participation. Law firms are stopping people from choosing to be in a union.
02:20:20 Audience: What about Nuclear Power?
02:21:16 Jay: Nuclear power has not blossomed in the last 25 years. But it is not because of Jame Fonda or Congress - it just costs too much money. Other methods are just easier with efficiency measures.
02:22:27 Jay: Congress in the last 20 years has tried to enhance nuclear power - we provided $ for research and free insurance to promot it. It is a potential part of our future - if the price comes down dramatically. Smaller plants that are more customized. We need standardized plants to bring down costs. We need a permanant disposal system.
02:24:29 Audience: If france is doing it why can't we?
02:24:43 Jay: France doesn't have a 10000 year solution for disposal.
02:25:03 Sandy: My comments on nuc power - over regulated but Jay has valid points. I think we have much better energy sources comming soon.
02:31:25 Audience: Obama wants us to step up to the plate. The government then sets the goals and asks us to help. How do we help?
02:32:25 Jay: The energy core and the service act helps local governments foster local volunteer activity.
02:33:22 Audience: Imigration debate: is covering up the issue of hireing skill labor from overseas.
02:33:59 Jay: There is ecconomic power in bringing in skilled people from other places. A huge benefit to US. We may lose companies like Microsoft if we don't bring the workers here. We want to identify which workers are necessary to bring in. I think we can improve this by: having more transparency and giving people more confidence that we aren't bringing in people to lower wages here.
02:36:17 Audience: How do you feel about our right to keep and bear arms? (applause)
02:36:35 Jay: "My son is a hunter and a fisherman." I support it for recreation and self defence purposes.
02:37:11 Audience: The guns are to stop the government.
02:37:33 Jay: There are reasonable things people can do to prevent people from being shot up. Convicted fellons should not have access to firearms. People should not fear that taking common sense actions like this threaten the rest of us.
02:39:14 Sandy: See the Pensylvania Minority Report for what the constitution means.
02:42:34 Jay: Thankyou. I hope you will look at this as a dialog. I get 1000 communications a week from my constituents.
02:43:26 Sandy: Closing comments. Use OpenCongress.org!

Principles in Liberty 37

2009-05-09T10:23:00.000-07:00

Another talk with Steve Pidgeon
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00:30 Intro01:26 What about this tea party thing steve?
02:06 I'd love to know all the bills my representative voted for that he could not have possibly read.
02:45 New news breaking: Move to change commerce clause case law. Judge Nipolitano
04:10 We are in the complete collapse of federalism.
07:43 The U.S. Government may be completely insolvent.
08:10 The FED system explained
12:00 CA is about to make more cuts to avoid insolvency.
13:50 CA should sue the USG for damages caused by the USG not enforcing its own laws (immigration).
16:00 CA Prop 18 - struck down by the USG.
17:40 What about the 1933 state government reorg Steve?
19:30 WA session - was it never properly admitted to the US as a state? The second WA constitution thing.
24:00 AK mineral rights taken but a fund exists to give back to the people a portion.
25:40 Obama is talking about cutting NASA, Defense, etc.
26:19 Pelosi stimulus package was the last 820 billion we had left.
27:30 Open market manipulation by the USG
29:00 The Asian flu (crash) - what really happened.
37:30 We are now ruralizing - growing food instead of manufacturing goods.
40:16 What about the ecconomic hit-men?
41:00 The absurdity of pledging eminent domain to China.
42:14 The 9 nations of north america
43:10 State Nukehood
43:30 UT could emerge strong due to the mormon church
45:00 The Katrina Belt will rise again.
25:26 France vs Spain - how France won.
46:30 Mineral rights still in Texas
47:20 Boeing may move to Texas
49:17 The republican's tried to hold themselves as being "Moral" and now they are falling by that standard.
51:00 "I am thankful that John McCain wasn't elected"
51:30 Quality Education is killing us.
52:00 New Saint Andrews College
56:30 The probelem with the Bar : Bernadine Dohrn
57:00 Same kind of problem in medicine.
58:00 Music too
01:04:20 Genius in the woods of Alaska
01:06:20 Shut your mouth day.
01:07:00 Law school expelations had to be stopped with the thread of a lawsuit.
01:08:30 Sandys vision for education
01:09:40 The instututions are failing.
01:10:00 Ex: The cure for cancer.
01:12:30 Specialization is rarely useful too early in life.
01:13:40 Integrity and character is what matters
01:15:05 Music is an example of a free market
01:15:40 The critical professional threshold of mastery is how credibility is gained - not by degrees from corrupt institutions/judges.
01:17:22 HR - another example - the first ones to go in bad times.
01:20:10 Moral law vs Choice
01:20:30 The Birthrate Law
01:21:00 Russia paid people to have kids - didn't work.
01:21:20 Russians go without food till they can afford what they want.
01:22:40 Russian Dachas
01:25:20 The two halves of the Koran
01:28:20 Griswold vs Connecticut opened the door to Roe vs Wade. Two concenting adults idea.
01:30:00 Short window to go from condemned homosexuality to full blown pagan culture.
01:31:30 Our moral reproach makes us a lawful target for extinction.01:32:20 Nazis as an example
01:33:20 The new manfactured H1N1 virus.
01:43:20 Vaccinations become another vector for the virus.
01:36:25 Obama blew off the national day of prayer.
01:37:40 Our immorality cannot be sustained. It will destroy us or we will change.
01:38:30 Some simple fixes - make the representative districts smaller
01:39:00 Make the giant counties smaller, especially ones that mix rural and urban centers.
01:40:05 Two tier representation
01:40:40 Pure democracy push is insane
01:41:00 Resource fight is lining up for WWIII - Islamic world is key which is why Obama is in the white house.
01:43:00 The muslim threat to europe - they should see it by now
01:44:15 From a public policy view - abortion must end.

Principles In Liberty 36

2009-04-10T23:00:00.000-07:00

This episode is the full 4 hour recording of the Seattle Continental Congress Meeting held on April 8th at the University of Washington. Enjoy!
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Recorded on 4/8/2009
00:30 PreIntro
02:34 Intro and Prayer
04:41 Steve Pidgeon Intro of Bob
05:00 Constitution is in great danger: overview of where we are
05:45 Constitution is the only source of legit power for this out-of-control government
06:23 What can we do?
06:40 Must use lawful means
07:36 Self-proving rubrik of the truth.
07:57 Democratic components does not make a democracy
08:16 Bill of rights - first ammendment
08:53 Intro of Bob Schulz
09:40 Bob Schulz - pledge to the constitution.
10:15 Constitutional Quiz of the Audience
11:15 Declaration of Independence relationship to the Constitution
11:35 Doctrine of popular sovreignty.
12:15 Is the government violating the constitution? Audience participation.
12:44 Money clause
13:10 Article 5 - refuse to call an convention
13:45 Taxation clauses
14:00 Habeus Corpus
14:25 Free speech
14:31 Searches and seizures - police state
15:00 Commerce powers abused
15:17 War powers
15:50 Natural born citizen clause
16:19 Licensed mariages
16:30 Education, Healthcare work - not authorized
17:10 Money bills originate in house
17:30 Eminent domain, ownership of public lands
18:00 Ex: Bridgeport attempted to take land for private purposes from other private parties
19:10 Imigration
21:11 What can we do to correct this?
21:48 Is there an accountability clause?
23:00 Redress of grievences
23:35 5 freedoms guaranteed by the first ammendment.
25:40 Redress of grievence clause never ruled on by any court.
27:09 If govt. refuses to redress our grievences we have a right to withdraw out support.
27:30 Just try it. Individuals and small groups cannot withdraw successfully.
28:05 Gandhi example
29:15 MLK followed this example - proactive, nonviolent, mass movement, successful
29:40 Critical mass needed via Continental Congress to restore the constitution
30:30 Bob's bio background
39:00 Learned law to defend himself from government retaliation
40:00 Set up TCTA
40:35 formed ACTA
41:36 set up WTP
43:00 Civic Education and Action both are needed.
44:00 We compare govt. actions with its constitution and if they are out of line we proactively take legal action by right to petition of redress of greivences to hold the govt. accountable to its governing documents.
45:45 WTP Congress will be carrying this forward.
46:00 Institutionalizing vigilence - devoting the rest of my life
46:40 Tasks: Distribute information about our documents that people are not getting.
46:56 Scrutinize government at every level and confront it.
47:35 Capital Domes
48:30 WTP will build distinctive architecture buildings to accomplish vigilance just as domes signify the center of government.
49:00 People are pationate - use it for vigilence.
49:36 Current project - Contintntal Congress
49:45 History of first one
50:20 1763, relationship between Brittan and colonies began to sour
51:10 11 years of petitioning for redress of greivences
51:35 Jefferson's task of prosecuting these petitions.
52:00 They decided to call the congress just to talk about the situation in 1774.
53:00 We are in exactly the same situation today.
53:35 We need to do the same thing they did today.
54:45 They tried the articles of confederation
54:58 Then the constitution was written - creating the only place for liberty anywhere in history.
55:48 We need to repeat this history.
56:00 State legislatures are invited to send reps as well but will not participate - just observe.
57:00 Every word uttered will be live webcast and transcribed.
58:40 Use this to connect the dots in the minds of people all over the world.
1:00:45 Get the critical mass of understanding needed to follow the recomendations of the CC.
1:01:15 50 websites - one for each state.
1:02:00 Before this year is over we will know just how many people care and the character of our country.
1:02:55 WTP can only do so much. What we can do...
1:05:00 Why did you come here?
1:05:05 Bailout made us come - the people objected and our reps ignored us.
1:06:18 Looking for nonviolent method that may work
1:06:45 I had questions
1:06:50 Judicial remedy was being pursued and failed, came to monitor this approach.
1:07:30 Is Judiciary politicized and corrupt? (Duh yes)
1:07:55 Constitution is obviously being violated.
1:08:00 This is a way to do something.
1:08:30 All the evidence support the claim that the govt. is violating numerous parts of the constitution.
1:09:20 The record shows that the govt. refuses to justify or ammend their behavior.
1:09:49 What is our duty as a free people?
1:10:37 It is every mans duty to protect the constitution.
1:11:20 Are you willing to assist in making this congress happen and reaching out to people?
1:12:00 3/4 of the audience stood in answer to this question.
1:12:30 Signing of citizen action form
1:12:44 Break (cut)
1:13:10 The redress of grievence IS an accountability clause. (We also have one in the second ammendment.)
1:13:39 How do we know what was in the minds of the founders when they wrote this clause?
1:14:10 Magna Carta - 1215 note that this is different from the more commonly seen 1297 version.
1:15:30 Section 61
1:16:40 Allows people to take the property of the barons accountable for making redress if not so redressed within 40 days.
1:18:20 King James example: Popes refused to read freedom of religeion proclimation - but the king put them in the dungeon. They defended with the arguement that they were petitioning the king for redress of greivence - the jury let them go.
1:19:25 Setpember 1774 Phillidelphia Continental Congress was called.
1:20:50 October 1774 Congress passed act to get Canadians to sympathize with their plight
1:21:22 Journals of the Continental Congress page 107
1:21:30 Act Quoted: says we have right to withhold money till grievences are redressed.
1:22:40 Jefferson quote from letter to Lord North
1:24:40 Declaration of Independence spends 3 of 5 pages listing greivences.
1:25:05 the capstone greivence of the Declaration.
1:26:30 States started adopting their state constitutions after the Declaration was signed.
1:27:00 New Hampshire Constitution quote Article 10 Right of Revolution
1:28:44 Most important sentence in the Constitution
1:30:00 Any right that is not enforcable is not a right
1:30:55 10 law review articles published on the right to petition for redress of grievences
1:31:20 A citizen sent a letter that caused all this.
1:32:00 Supreme court note on redress of greivences.
1:32:46 two of these reviews are really good.
1:33:00 Prof. Akhil Reed Amar - Yale Law Journal The Bill of Rights as a Constitution
1:33:17 Prof. Gregory Mark - Rutgers University The Vestigial Constitution: The History and
significance of the right to petition.
1:33:30 Until 1830 people were participating in their government - you always got an answer from congress
1:34:27 What changed? Southern congressmen passed a gag rule against abolitionists.
1:34:55 Took J. Q. Adams 8 years to get the gag rule repealed.
1:35:45 Rights of free speech, press, assemblage, drived from the necesity to protect the right to petition for redress.
1:37:35 We and lots of others have been petitioning for redress of grievences. All of this is documented on http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/
1:38:00 1995 Mexican Peso petition
1:38:25 Judicial doctrine of standing and its abuse
1:42:40 1999 Kosovo bombing
1:45:50 1999 IRS questions by Joe Banister
1:47:20 Geoff Metcalf interviews Devvy Kidd and gets Joe Banister's attention.
1:49:15 Invited congress to a meeting to answer Banister's questions. CSPAN covered it.
1:50:10 Tried it again in November.
1:50:40 Petition served on congress and president with delegates for all states in April.
1:55:13 Try again in June.
1:57:23 Washington Times Ad
1:58:00 USA Today Ad
1:58:50 David Cay Johnson calls about hearing on ad
1:59:36 witness list for hearing on ad is closed to Bob.
1:59:50 Walk around IRS building 7 times and ask for interview.
2:00:00 Witness list was closed reminder - Went to hearing anyway.
2:01:00 Witness on stand suggests the committee answer's Bob's questions - they ignore her.
2:01:45 Hunger fast
2:03:30 Lawrence Linsay writes a note to convince Bob to stop the fast.
2:04:00 Roscoe Bartlett helps Bob connect to the government - sets up meeting.
2:06:00 911 interrupts plans
2:07:00 Set up pay-per-view system to webcast meeting - government backed out. Meeting went on anyway.
2:09:30 Iraq War Resolution - Henry Hyde says "events have overtaken the constitution"
2:13:40 Petitions are treated as depositions.
2:15:20 November 14th, Served 4 petitions at once. FED, Patriot Act, IRS, Iraq Resolution
2:18:40 Other petitions: Gun control laws, North American. Union, Immigration laws not being enforced, Computerized vote counting, AIG bailout
2:19:00 Lawsuit and restraining order on AIG bailout.
2:22:00 Closed doors meeting called and congress blackmailed that evening to bail out AIG. Paulson asks congress to authorize $ transfer.
2:23:19 Another lawsuit (last September)
2:23:43 Decision just rendered recently - lack of standing of course.
2:25:00 Our capstone greivance
2:26:00 Is Government obligated to respond to a petition for redress of greivances?
2:26:10 Can we withold our support in taxes until greivances are addressed?
2:26:41 Stare decisis
2:28:36 Smith vs Arkansas
2:29:30 Minnesota vs Knight
2:31:33 Judith Rodgers writes decision that stare decisis does not apply
2:33:12 Supreme court denies case
2:33:50 Leaves us with no choice but a Continental Congress
2:35:00 Electoral process cannot solve this problem.
2:36:00 AIPAC
2:36:50 Our rights are not dependent upon a majority vote - they are absolute.
2:38:00 States and Federal Government are intertwined and comprimised.
2:38:30 Corporate American and Corporate Media will not help.
2:39:00 Continental Congress will happen this year.
2:39:40 Questions on Continental Congress
2:41:50 Q: How do we all get on the same page?
2:42:08 Rocketship analogy
2:44:00 Solving problem politically just wastes our energy - this is a constitutional/legal problem, not a political problem.
2:45:30 We must somehow channel this energy.
2:45:45 Idea came while on the road to Jacksonville - Jeckyl Island
2:46:12 The creature from Jeckyl Island
2:47:00 The story of the FED in short.
2:50:00 Get the leaders of all the constitiutional/conservative groups to agree on the idea of supporting the Continental Congress - meet at Jeckyl Island 3rd week of May.
2:52:00 Train # 97 from New Jersey
2:53:20 Q: Article 5 issue - 750 calls for a convention from the states have been issued but congress refuses to call a convention.
2:55:11 Q: Why are you not in favor of calling a convention by congress?
2:56:00 A: How will an ammended constitution gain anymore respect than what we have now?
2:57:30 Take a vote to see if we should keep discussing this question.
2:59:16 Announcement by me about this recording and transcription
3:00:30 A: We don't have time for that approach.
3:02:00 Fine we can both pursue our courses.
3:02:40 Congress refuses to call a convention - clarification.
3:03:20 Steve Pidgeon chimes in. TARP, International currency, FSB, Nationalized GM, Banks, Insurance, Supreme court is not making constitutional decisions and is gutting the bill of rights.
3:04:30 A lawyer intends to supplant the constitution with international law within 30 days.
3:06:15 Natural Born Citizen issue demonstrates how our movement is cutting itself to pieces.
3:06:50 Rocketship analogy - we can have multiple engines working together.
3:07:30 Tea Party situation
3:07:40 Bob now thinks he understands the question.
3:08:24 The Continental Congress would have your issue on the table as well.
3:09:16 Barak Obama violated federal criminal law so he can't hold office.
3:09:43 Q: How will order be handled in the congress?
3:09:50 A: Roberts rules of order.
3:10:25 Procedure for nominating and electing delegates.
3:11:40 50 state websites
3:13:20 Q: What about Obama's elegibility as a redress petition? (NBC issue)
3:13:30 A: You asked, here's the answer
3:15:00 Interrupted
3:18:05 Took out an Ad in the Chicago Tribune - An Open Letter to Barak Obama asking him to make his birth certificate public along with other info. - no response.
3:20:40 Audience member comment on redress of grievance.
3:21:00 Steve Pidgeon opinion/input - courts are corrupt
3:21:31 Bob - true story - Leo Donofrio case
3:22:30 Today Show - Pete Williams talks about Donofrio case
3:23:10 Democracy - founders rejected it. There has never been a democracy that didn't commit suicide.
3:23:40 Q: How do you fund this movement?
3:24:00 A: Low overhead and donations.
3:26:00 Applause
3:26:20 No financial angels. All small donations.
3:27:10 IRS has audited the operation.
3:28:15 Q: What entities are we addressing? Dejure vs Defacto Government. Is entity bankrupt and if so does it apply?
3:29:00 A: Any act of congress repugnant to the constitution is null and void.
3:29:30 A: IF this is true, then have them tell us and we will deal with it. Otherwise assume things are normal. Silence is admission or fraud. Natural rights are not nullified.
3:30:15 Q: What if our rights are nullified?
3:30:40 A: Its right here in the document.
3:31:00 Steve Pidgeon: Userpation happens regardless of bankruptcy. Sovreign law is not bankrupt.
3:32:20 Government doesn't like bad press.
3:32:50 Lets say the congress says we withdraw our support - if 15-20M people do it, the government will have to pay attention.
3:34:20 Photo on parade magazine that stuck in my mind. Sympathy immediately went to the people due to that picture.
3:36:10 Q: Suppose we get people to withhold their money - what about the government printing money?
3:36:36 A: Lender security will make inflation option inviable.
3:37:07 Philander Knox
3:38:10 How it works. The FED lends it into circulation. The income tax pays the FED. So no tax income kills the government's money source.
3:39:50 86% of FED income comes from personal income taxes.
3:40:24 Official end of meeting
3:40:41 My closing remarks - thanks for your patience!

Principles In Liberty 35

2009-03-25T18:29:00.000-07:00

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Later this year delegates representing the People
of the fifty states will convene as a national assembly to publicly debate our Government's abuses of the Constitution and to consider practical strategies which can bring about compliance with our Freedom documents, not
only in our government at all levels, but in our individual lives.

The Continental Congress 2009 will be an undertaking of historical importance as we follow the example of our Founding Fathers, to gather together and discuss the state of our Nation to restore the Light of Liberty.

Attend a public meeting in the Seattle area to learn more::

Date::

April 8th 2009
Place::

Room 045 in the basement of the Electrical Engineering Building
Time:

7pm - 10pm

note that if we have an overflow crowd, we will meet in room 125 of the same building. Signs will be posted for you if this is the case.

An MP3 recording of this meeting will appear in an upcomming podcast here (if we don't have some kind of technical problem).

Bob Schulz will be telling us about the purposes and reason for this historical meeting and letting you know how you can help our country to retain its heritage of liberty.
These meetings are being held all over the country - don't miss this rare opportunity.

Introducing Bob will be Mr. Stephen Pidgeon, a nominee delegate to the convention and a freedom loving attorney who has been featured numerous times in this blog.

For more information click here.

Click here for podcast of the meeting

Principles In Liberty 34

2009-01-27T13:41:00.000-08:00

An evening with Steve Pidgeon Part VI

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Recorded on 12/30/2008

00:47 Publics reaction - the republican revolution
01:10 Sandy's meeting with Jay Inslee after 911.
02:00 Bailouts were garbage
03:00 The FED printed up the $ even after congress rejected it.
03:50 Rothchild bank worth 100 Trillion $
04:17 Drivative debt is 4,000,000,000,000,000 $
05:00 Losses made loans illegal due to lack of reserves.
05:54 Meeting market demand is way higher than meeting legal demand.
06:20 Where do I put my 401k
06:30 Can't physically get gold and silver. (This has changed since I sad it)
07:30 Other comodities to invest in - chocolate, wine. (Sandy says - Honey!)
08:50 Honey bees are disappearing.
09:20 Global cooling to come
10:50 Scripture predicts crops will fail in the end times.
11:15 Christian fellowship and faith is what counts.
13:50 It will come as a flood.
14:25 The frozen mamoths
14:37 He will come as a theif - people just won't be expecting it.
14:55 Daniels Timeline
15:26 Revelation 3
17:20 Luke 21
18:27 In your patience you posess your soul.
18:50 First 3.5 years will be tough 2009-2012 - Christianity/Judaism will be outlawed.
19:40 Vox Day's Irrational Athiest book
20:15 Muslims can be defended but not Christians.
20:40 Why do risky stuff with your money?
21:00 T-Bills are yielding a negative interest rate.
21:30 Monetary reform act - a simple solution to this problem
22:40 How to succeed as a politician.
23:08 Mark Recci
23:20 How congressmen live with themselves
24:05 Survival in Alaska
27:30 Idaho has been sabatoged by the wolf.
29:20 Yakatat
30:10 Cordova
30:40 Pole shift, orbital path of our solar system
31:51 The book of Enoch, the Nephilim
33:00 The Essene book of revelation
34:34 Percheron Horses
36:25 California cuts off all the water to San Joaquine valley.
Note that steve says he saw this on ABC news, but I have been unable to locate the story on the web. (sandy)

Principles in liberty 33

2009-01-27T13:39:00.001-08:00

An evening with Steve Pidgeon Part V

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Recorded on 12/30/2008

00:52 Fixing Due Process to get at the spirit of the law.
01:28 Plea bargin fix
02:07 Example: a serial killer situation from Alaska from Preston
03:06 Letting serial killers go to justify the cost of the justice system.
04:45 Example where a defense attorney is good.
05:55 Democracy kills justice
06:20 Really bad crimes in Alaska litany
07:26 Why this happens. No Ethics.
08:30 more crimes
12:20 Divorce as a cause of some murders
13:47 Every 3 months a guy kills his family and self over divorce issues.
14:37 Get rid of sovreign immunity for judges.
25:25 The snowman case
17:10 Overregulation results in justice system overload.
18:10 IRS repealed in 49, reinacted in 52.
19:25 Tax rates
20:33 Trickle down ecconomics and taxes
21:40 IRS is the flip side of the FED
23:00 Campaign giving reforms
23:43 By what authority...
24:00 Mike Lowry's oath of office issue
26:00 Republican party - its a disaster
27:10 Fraudulent elections
27:45 The Illusion of freedom
28:30 Supporting Bush the second time was the dumbest thing the republicans could have done.
29:05 The republican revolution

Shame on you Mr. Obama!

2009-01-22T17:07:00.000-08:00

You have been a bad boy Mr. Soetoro! The law will catch up to you someday!
Shame on you Mr. Reed for not even taking the time to
investigate whether or not Mr. Soetoro is qualified for the office he is running for.
Who do you work for anyway?
Shame on you!

Principles In Liberty 32

2009-01-13T17:50:00.000-08:00

An evening with Steve Pidgeon Part IV

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Recorded on 12/30/2008

00:50 Valdez boom
02:10 Stephen's proposals http://www.stephenpidgeon.com/
05:50 Sandy's objections
08:00 The importance of proper property title
08:59 Support for the lawsuit
09:15 Conservative Enthusasts where Stephen will be speaking: http://www.consenthus.hypermart.net/
10:00 Tax matters, ecconomic solutions
12:00 Troops to protect the government make it easier for the government to fall.
12:37 Zimbabwe currency http://www.ivarhagendoorn.com/files/blog/zimbabwe-2008-01-18.jpg
13:12 Zimbabwe history
13:51 The story of Steve Bernard
14:35 Stephen's death threat
17:00 People are starting to get uptight about Stephen's lawsuit.
18:23 Clint Bolack and Institute For Justice http://ij.org/
18:53 Writ of Cercariae
19:31 Sandy's proposed Jury System when we lose a justice system.
21:40 The rule of law is crumbling
22:22 High School history
22:50 Sandy states his interim justice system proposal
26:18 Stephen's Peoples Tribunal
27:13 Lost 13th Ammendment
28:30 Judges will get ya
29:04 Bar associations in the time of Blackstone
31:00 How do we remove the complexity from the law?
33:20 60% of the court docket is divorce
34:00 How to get a system that administers the spirit of the law.

Principles In Liberty #31

2009-01-02T02:28:00.000-08:00

An evening with Steve Pidgeon Part III
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00:00 George Soros
05:35 DailySourceCode and NoAgenda
06:30 Downturn history
08:43 Stephen's stock picks - Russian Oil
09:36 Georgia gets taken over in 22 days.
11:40 New Dubai Hotel
12:00 Is America Babilon?
14:40 Russian professor predicts civil war in america within a year.
17:00 Huston will be powerful with a Christian Constitutional Republic
18:50 Will the coast get nuked?
20:00 Criminalize coal, carbon tax leads to genocide
20:40 Alternative energy
22:00 Look at the ecconomic collapse of the Soviet Union.
22:46 Back to the lawsuit...
23:30 Kenya already knows about Obama being born there
--- mp3 insert from Detroit radio station interview with Kenya's prime minister.
26:00 We are at the point of lawlessness - when do we start shooting each other?
26:25 Price of gas
27:14 Bankruptcies - 750,000 stores are going to close this next quarter.
28:28 What happens when people start to throw the key?
29:38 The Alaska housing collapse of '86.
32:20 What saved Alaska

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Principles In Liberty #30

2009-01-02T02:19:00.000-08:00

An evening with Steve Pidgeon Part II
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Recorded on 12/30/2008

00:50 World Net Daily asks Stephen about standing.
01:10 What's standing?
03:39 We have witnessed a coup de ta.
04:09 Republic lost but may be reasserted by state citizens.
05:09 Russions predict our civil war will be here by next fall.
05:35 Obama the sex machine
07:00 What's in a name.
07:30 The Mahdi
09:30 Obama - the man of lawlessness
12:00 Where might Obama go after he is done with the US?
13:30 Israel is eliminating it threats on its flanks in preparation to attack Iran.
16:30 More on the lawsuit against Obama
17:30 Omni will kill the $ and should be announced around the end of January 2009
18:00 Pakistan vs India - it will go nuclear quickly.
19:00 Essine book of revelation
20:13 Don Esposito
20:52 Daniels Timeline
23:15 The Ezekiel 38 war
24:00 Tribes of Ezekiel - where are they now?
25:40 Islam stuff
26:00 Cyrus Scroll
28:35 The Mystery of Salvation vs the Mystery of Iniquity
31:20 The book "Revealed" being written by Stephen. Is Obama THE Islamic Messiah?
33:00 Obama Messiah and fan club.
34:00 Adoption rules - why Obama's name is lawless.
35:20 The mystery of Obama support.

Principles In Liberty #29

2009-01-02T01:48:00.000-08:00

An evening with Steve Pidgeon Part I

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00:54 Steve discusses Moscow during its invasion by the Germans in WWII
02:50 People in Russia dying by falling out of windows.
04:00 Apartment living in Russia
04:34 Commune living in Russia
05:06 Camping in Russia
05:28 High School "Friends"
08:23 Truther stuff
11:50 AIG stuff
12:42 I bring up a cool 911 website.
15:00 FED prefered stock
15:20 I mention my favorite anti-FED video.
17:36 What will happen after the first of 2009
18:40 Canada is under martial law right now
19:20 Terrace BC - has a new mosque
19:50 "Little Mosque on the prarrie"
21:00 K-12 Gay friendly curriculum
21:14 Financial collapse
21:22 Sarkozy
22:03 Dollar will hyperinflate
22:20 Zimbabwe cash - big bills for cheap 23:16 Debt numbers - comparring 1929 to today.
24:00 Early Sept. the USG bought up all the paper futures and stocks. They bought up all the butter too.
24:51 The pound and $ are dropping like rocks
25:18 Swiss frank is rising.
25:30 Stephen coins the Omni as the name for the new international currency
27:16 They will tax everything
28:47 Sharia Banking
29:34 Hoodna - Muslim contracts breeched within 7 years.
30:54 Obama is AntiChrist?
31:00 Things will start moving fast in just a few days.
31:45 Merging the oil interests with the european bankers - an agreement that triggers everything.
32:30 George Soros will engineer the agreement.
33:10 80% approval rating for Obama worldwide.
34:00 Sarah Palin stuff
34:25 Reminds Stephen of Yulia Tymoshenko
34:50 Obama will likely abandon the US shortly.
35:00 Stephen's lawsuit against Obama - Stephen has standing!
36:00 The statute says that any registered voter can challenge the election if the candidate was not qualified at the time of the election.
37:49 "I have the affidavids on Obama"

Principles in Liberty #28

2008-12-10T00:24:00.000-08:00

Glen Stoll - part V

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00:30 Setting the record before you proceed with legal defence
01:00 State the facts, set the record and let God fight your battles for you.
01:26 Live in such a way that people won't believe you're guilty.
01:40 Hovind just wants to preach the Word.
02:40 The fable - the wolf and the lamb - any argument will serve a tyrant's intentions.
03:10 We are living today under tyrany.
04:30 Tyrany of the majority, Tyrany of the ruling class.
04:52 A pure Democracy is a tyrany.
05:33 US was founded as a democratic republic - Republic is based on its organic documents which were in turn based on scripture.
06:16 Oligarchy is the tyrany of the ruling class. We have a corporate government.
07:30 The Class: is the Judiciary - are the Attorneys - the vermin.
08:00 I disagree - the Attorney's are the pratorian guard of the true elite.
08:30 but to win the war you have to beat the army first.
08:45 Back to Hovind - he needs to be exonorated.
09:00 An arial survailence idea during civil war idea never got to Lincoln in time to do any good.
10:28 Kent's wife is not in jail, still awaiting an appeal.
10:47 Joe's attorneys will not let Glen help here at all.
11:20 Glen would be arrested if he showed up at the Pensicola airport. This is a threat from Joe Hovind's attorney.
12:00 Lies to keep Glen away.
12:40 Glen wrote to Jerry Barringer (Joe Hovind's attorney) who never responded to his questions. Thus Glen has concluded that Jerry has lied - Please correct me if I am wrong.
14:30 Don't anger the judge - if you have a mad judge - you have an insane judge.
15:20 I relate a case with my christian attorney.
16:30 Glen has friends that are attorneys (but just a few). They don't always know what they are doing or what the difference is between a lawyer and an attorney.
17:45 Attorneys are taught against the principles of defering powers to the church.
18:00 Seems insane for a court to rule on the document that created them.
18:48 Current status - still helping Kent, can't help Joe, Kent has said he wishes he had followed Glen's advice.
19:30 Attorneys have to give up the arguement (of jurisdiction) because that is their job.
20:00 Wives not understanding the problem.
21:00 We are schooled not to think or argue properly.
22:10 I admire Mrs. Hovind for what she has done to honor Kent.
22:37 She is caught between the fear of man and the fear of God.
23:00 The story of Epaphrus a witness so powerful his ashes were fought over between the churches.
25:00 Final saying by Glen - nobody on the staff is favorable to Glen's views due to religous dogma and bigotry.
27:27 I Cor. 13 commentary by Glen: Charity trumps all.
28:30 Church concept of authority that I have a problem with. That which is is what God wants.
30:30 Glen's theory - God did this on purpose - to make sure we would have to strive with each other and defer in love to get along.
31:30 God could easily intervine and solve all arguments - but he doesn't.
32:51 Why? Because he is more concerned with how we get along.
33:20 What is Charity? Not just love. Cheerfully giving others the benefit of the doubt and deferring to others in joy.
35:24 I witness a very cool fellowship in Idaho before Y2K. They all got along great till Y2K didn't happen.
36:25 So how does the theory cause us to get along? It reveals who and how we can get along.
38:10 I wonder how we will consume each other once the going gets tough.
38:11 Concept of the Law of the Contract - no law imparing the obligation of contract.
38:46 Argument: You can't compell me to do x because I have a contract that doesn't allow that.
39:20 You can't get into a contract that contradicts a previously entered contract.
39:40 The problem with fraud in state contracts.
40:00 Once you know the problem you need to decide what to do. If you continue to participate you concent to the contract.
41:50 Its such an inconvenience to get out of these contracts. Doing so isolates you from working with others.
42:24 Franklin: "If you are willing to give up liberty for security, you will have neigher."
42:31 Escape from Sobibor - true story.
43:37 "I would rather have died making a stand than being led to the slaughter"
44:39 "An antichrist system is any system that takes the place of Christ in your life."
45:80 "If we have submitted to an anti-christ system either by deed (the right hand) or by thought (the forehead) we have taken the mark of the beast."
46:00 Are you saying that people in the system that oppose christ are against christ? Yes.
47:35 You're not helping God by obeying him - you're helping yourself.
48:00 Should we talk about the hows of getting out of the system and staying out.
48:45 Most people suffer first and then take a stand - very view just think about it and decide to do it on moral reasons.
49:18 Glen: "I suffered a lot"
49:50 proving a negative is pretty hard.

Glen still wants to keep talking so we will see what comes next...

Principles In Liberty #27

2008-12-05T13:50:00.000-08:00

Glen Stoll - part IV
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The saga continues as Glen explains his interactions with Kent Hovind and some of the legal technicalities involved along the way.

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00:25 Kent hovind's problems
1:13 Kents background
2:44 Stanford U. debate example - Practice with mock debates and decided not to take on Kent.
3:24 I met Kent personally. Kent obviously knew about patriot issues.
4:10 Kent refused county building permits on principle
4:50 Sovreignty movement is a great curse - to claim full sovreignty is claiming you're God.
5:42 Ecclesiastical authority - Kent's evidence
6:25 Kent was jailed for praying for his enemies on his radio show
8:55 CSE Blog: Read Kents own words and judge his spirit for yourself from HIS words.
10:30 Prison system critique
12:00 Many innocent people are in prison or dead right now.
12:23 It tedius and difficult to present evidence after sentenceing to prove innocence.
12:51 Bottom line of weiland's book - bible contradicts our current prison system.
14:00 No decent standard of justice.
14:20 back to hovind...
14:40 accused of intimidating an agent for following the process for complaining about the agent's actions.
12:28 How Glen met Kent.
18:00 Glen met with county officials to reconcile differences concerning Hovind.
18:44 lots of animosity making reconciliation impossible.
19:10 Was this animosity Hovind's fault?
20:43 Who has the last word on what is legitimate for the Church to do?
21:18 Financial principles of the Church:
1) Understand Stuardship
2) Remain debt free
3) Show an increase
4) Be charitable
22:30 State has a right to control churches that breach scriptural authority.
22:54 Was Kent violating any of these principles?
23:17 Technically, maybe some things were unwise.
23:54 Glen advised Kent to copyright his material - this change has caused false accusations like this:
24:15 Glen advised Kent to stop talking about taxes and government/legal issues.
26:00 Obstructing - the blanket charge.
26:23 The last time Glen was in jail...
27:20 Subornation of false muster - several hits on this but all seem biased against Hovind. Also see this.
30:35 Deprivation of rights under color of law
31:26 Charged with intimidating a government agent for filing a complaint
31:52 Back to how Kent got here.
33:12 Government argued that the ministrie's income was Kents - not true.
34:00 Ministry had nothing to do with what Kent was being accused of - though the government tried hard to bring in the ministry into the case.
35:30 Government was trying to foreclose on ministry property for things he did independent of the ministry.
37:15 "I've been effectively shut out"
39:00 Dr. Hovind's wife blames Kent for the fix they are in (IMHO says Glen)
41:00 to compensate, Kent says do whatever she wants. This was against Glen's advice.
42:04 two things you need to do before you let a public attorney "help" you.
1) Write a loyality letter and file it
2) Write an abatement and file it
43:15 The abatement contains:
1) Jurisdiction of the court
2) Sufficiency of the plaintif
3) Sufficiency of the defendant
4) Form of the writ

More comming next time!

Principles In Liberty #26

2008-11-18T18:37:00.000-08:00

Glen Stoll - part III
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0:45 How the thirteenth ammendment was lost
1:10 Constitution was turned on its head
1:30 The 5 original checks and balances
3:50 The title change in the constitution changes its application
5:25 Control is necessary in an imperfect society
6:30 How did you get this "citizen of heaven" license plate?
7:00 Renton Christian Center (see comment from Glen)
8:00 Reverend Paul Revere came up with a way to win the struggle to fix the problem in our lifetime.
9:40 A retreat caught Glen's heart. He pursued getting a church driver's license.
12:05 the first experience within a new jurisdiction
15:30 I have already lost my life
17:46 back to our story...
19:28 We only have rights God gives us.
20:32 Drivers License is a certificate of residency - not a certification of competency
20:57 I decided I am expatriating from the secular and repatriating to the spiritual
21:40 Cop pulls me over... first stop with heaven documents and plates
27:50 Certificate of life birth - what it really is
29:20 Consent of the governed - what does that mean?
32:00 Deciding who you are, what to do and what is and is not a moral imperitive
35:50 An answer to prayer
37:20 Entertaining angels unawares
39:00 Receive the blessings of Christ

Principles In Liberty #25

2008-11-10T22:11:00.000-08:00

Glen Stoll - part II

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0:32 Met Hartford Van Dyke in 1991
0:46 Met pastor Paul Revere of the Embasy of Heaven Church
1:10 Tought about pur separation from the world - between Church and State
1:30 Record keeping is key
2:50 License needed for activities under commercial jurisdiction
4:40 Revere excited Glen - it was the solution to his problem.
5:18 Family Court is out of control and not fixable
5:44 Example: "We make the rules as we go".
6:52 Published case: Family Defense League in Appeals Court for WA in early 90s
7:07 Poker game
8:28 The conspiracy is orchistrated by the devil and has a lot to do with how the court system operates today.
9:20 A summary of the history that got us here.
11:24 the abuses of attornment - distinction between a lawyer and an attorney
11:51 Attornment comes from the english feudal system.
13:28 The Paul Harvey Vermin
15:00 Division is the enemy
17:30 Our Republic was what we started with
19:33 The original 13th ammendment
20:16 Congress adjourned sine die in 1861
21:11 Dred Scott decision
22:15 Voting vs Dellegates/Electoral college
23:00 A vote is an agreement to abide by the outcome of the vote.
23:35 Right to travel
23:40 Right to expatriate - to choose what government you will be held accountable to.
24:20 Talbot case 1795 - People have the right to choose their citizenship
25:40 How do we distinguish absolute rights from legal privilages?
29:45 civil was was used by the attorneys to divide us
30:25 Thirteenth amendment proves that the government that was formed after the civil war was not the same as the one we had before the war.

Principles In Liberty #24 - an interview with Glen Stoll

2008-11-07T00:56:00.000-08:00

Glen Stoll
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2:22 How it all started - the start of the family defence league
4:20 Car trouble ignites a family fight in the middle of the road.
10:42 Official baptismal date April 14th (important much later)
12:30 The votes of witnesses opinions determine truth in family law, not the physical evidence.
12:40 Its required to send somebody to jail in domestic violence cases
13:12 All domestic violence cases are prosecuted no matter how lame the evidence is.
13:37 I began to wake up and see that my beliefs about the system were wrong.
13:56 We have the greatest court system that money can buy.
15:20 Jurors after his case all said the case was ridiculous and they couldn't believe he was being prosecuted.
16:42 Background on wife situation - planned infidelity leads to need for excuse for divorce
18:00 Two years of "counseling" used to extract "evidence" of wrongdoing from his children.
18:38 Books for reference: Innocence, the raged edge, The child abuse industry,
21:08 July 3rd, 1988 started the family defence league
21:14 an unexpected set of allays come together.
21:40 all groups agreed - "Family Court Stinks".
21:56 The problem of purgery in family court
23:13 More damage is done to the children by this attitude than the intervention solves
25:54 Guilty until proven Guilty
26:17 I decided to become an attorney.
26:43 Started studying under Hartford Van Dyke
27:50 I began understanding the principles of church authority
28:00 Met Jim Shaver

Principles In Liberty 23 - Water4 Gas

2008-10-29T18:03:00.000-07:00

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I attended a gathering in Portland of the Water4Gas crew and got these comments and pictures.
It looks to me to be quite legit - you can double your gas mileage using HHO gas.
Clearly something this simple that people are doing on their own shows that the car and gas companies are hiding what they know about how to make better mileage cars.

Principles In Liberty #22

2008-10-28T11:31:00.000-07:00

The Catholic Vote
A friend emailed me this video:

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Principles in Liberty #21

2008-10-17T14:07:00.000-07:00

Void Where Prohibited
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Sorry friends

2008-10-17T00:35:00.000-07:00

Its just been too long since I posted. This is partly because I moved my recording gear out to my ranch and expected to spend more time there - but haven't.
I need to find a simpler way to produce my podcasts and get them out.

If you miss my posts - let me know...

Is anybody out there?

Principles In Liberty # 20b

2008-07-22T00:16:00.000-07:00

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I stopped on the way to my place in Idaho and recorded this.
Unfortunately, today I busted my MP3 player by getting it wet while jet-skiing!
BUMMER.
So here is my little comment on Parks.
I am having some technical difficulties with a new driver I have been trying so no fancy music or compression this time.

Principles in Liberty 20

2008-04-22T01:07:00.000-07:00

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00:32 Expelled - No Intelligence allowed reviewed
01:40 Kent Hovind's Creation Science Seminar
02:10 Hovind is currently in jail for structuring.
03:30 A creator is the only source of rights which the state cannot userp. Thus world view is the source of freedom in society.
04:30 Science may someday meet God!
05:06 The results of evolutionary thought.
05:44 We live in interesting times.
06:11 The singing revolution movie reviewed.
06:53 Perplexed at the balance preached in our churches.
07:50 The prospect of a revolution - messy.
08:30 Maybe we are going into a great time of enlightenment.
09:38 Anti-Terrorist sweep in three states - what IS a terrorist anyway?
11:09 Hobbs - Leviathan - good book.
13:40 God ordains authorities - state, church, family. Balance is key.
14:30 Sadness for the falling of a great nation.

Principles in liberty 19 (one of my best)

2008-04-07T21:12:00.000-07:00

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Recorded on 3/29/2008

This is a speech delivered on 3/29/2008 by Stephen Pidgeon

at a free speech conference sponsored by the ECP
This hits on key ideas of where freedom comes from and how Christianity fits into rights.
A very fast-moving and to-the-point set of ideas which I have never heard expressed quite this well.
This is a keeper!

00:47 Global Warming
01:01 Homosexual and Feminist lobby
01:22 Primary resource targeted is fresh water
01:30 Goal is population control
01:40 Humanistic thinking seeks to control population
02:22 Privilegs are not God given rights.
02:35 Why did Jesus come to the earth?
03:03 Our obligation is to testify to the truth.
03:18 What is Truth?
03:57 Differences between rights, privildges and crimes.
04:13 A Human right is...
05:20 Bill of rights are not rights
06:05 Supernatural source of rights
06:42 God's prohibitions give us our rights
07:02 The most threatening line written in history...
07:43 The state MUST answer to God's authority or suffer the consequences
08:14 Government must seek rightousness
08:35 A privilege is ...
09:12 All privileges are elietist in nature.
09:19 A crime is...
10:30 The full title of Darwin's book
11:35 Evolution is inherently racist doctrine.
12:15 Christianity is inherently all-inclusive and not racist.
10:06 What is Post-modernism...
13:49 The best argument under secularism is "That's mean and unfair".
14:08 Summary of definitions of terms
14:30 Canadian Human Rights Act
14:35 Alaskan Quake joke
15:34 Book - Liberty - a guide to God-given rights in the western world - being written by Steve.
16:01 Section 13 of Canadian Human Rights Act
16:18 Purpose of the act...
16:56 Not declaring rights.
17:15 Maslow's Hierarchy of needs is moral basis for this law
18:20 Christian Church is what makes man evil - according to the secularists.
19:20 Moral basis for duty to society...
20:24 Tort actions for punishment under this law - not really a crime, just a civil offence.
21:00 Moral foundation of the law is not defined.
21:20 Which group gets the most benefits of this act?
22:25 Media is exempt under this law - privileged.
23:45 Nuremberg type trials proposed for global warming detractors.
24:50 Exedus 20 - the true roster of human rights.
26:44 Nazi's were arrested. their defense - "I was following orders". They were convicted anyway because they had a moral authority above the state and they were sentenced to death based on that.

Principles In Liberty 18b

2008-04-06T01:06:00.000-07:00

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Recorded on 5/5/2008

An interview with Larry Langdon

01:08 Justice - a fundamental human idea
02:00 Hillary Clinton sets this off
02:47 Being able to make your own decisions is fundamental to growth
03:35 Universal complacency happens over time due to the helps of societies.
05:00 the FED and money
07:35 The Money Masters mentions a good solution.
08:35 Bill Davis - example of a optimist concerning the FED
09:07 The Three World Wars
09:19 We are in WWIII now.
10:06 The creature from Jekyl Island by G. Edward Griffin
10:31 Confessions of an Ecconomic Hit Man
11:10 CIA enslaves countries with debt.
12:35 Larry knows a personal friend that saw this happen first hand.
13:55 America is being foreclosed on.
14:10 Jessie Ventura "Maybe those fences along the border aren't to keep them out but to keep us in".
15:47 Federal vs National citizen.
16:15 Tom Ridge of Homeland Security says it was under national government rather than the federal government
17:12 Unknowns being incarcerated without due process in the US
18:03 1/2 of all people are in prison for victimless crimes.
18:42 25% of the worlds prisoners are in US prisons
19:15 Racketeering is going on.
21:25 Spitzer issue becomes a smokescreen - he had ordered an investigation of 911
21:50 People are maletable - capable of being prosecuted at any time.
23:36 None of the current presidential candidates are skull and bones...
24:11 People that were rich enough to avoid taxes - Global Prosperity Group
24:49 David Ike
25:15 Creating Problems and then offering the pre-fabricated solution.
26:00 My luck on trading - its like they know what I am about to do.
27:50 Later on, some other friends came over and Larry talked a bit about a real estate transaction.
33:30 7 Statutes sited by the escroe agency to Larry as reason to bring in third parties (HUD) into the transaction.
36:50 The issue of the government hearing the grievences of the people
38:03 Fed board chairman said - "we need a complete collapse and then we can rebuild it up again."
38:50 Fed gets Wall Street.
39:20 Most judges know we are bankrupt and in foreclosure.
40:00 Money Masters reference again.
40:42 Dictatorship is the most efficient form of government - especially with a good dictator.
41:40 Use US notes to get us out of this.
42:26 Kennedy family and inheritance taxes
43:00 Car title transfer trick

Principles In Liberty 18

2008-04-06T00:58:00.000-07:00

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Recorded on 5/5/2008

An interview with Larry Langdon

01:08 Justice - a fundamental human idea
02:00 Hillary Clinton sets this off
02:47 Being able to make your own decisions is fundamental to growth
03:35 Universal complacency happens over time due to the helps of societies.
05:00 the FED and money
07:35 The Money Masters mentions a good solution.
08:35 Bill Davis - example of a optimist concerning the FED
09:07 The Three World Wars
09:19 We are in WWIII now.
10:06 The creature from Jekyl Island by G. Edward Griffin
10:31 Confessions of an Ecconomic Hit Man
11:10 CIA enslaves countries with debt.
12:35 Larry knows a personal friend that saw this happen first hand.
13:55 America is being foreclosed on.
14:10 Jessie Ventura "Maybe those fences along the border aren't to keep them out but to keep us in".
15:47 Federal vs National citizen.
16:15 Tom Ridge of Homeland Security says it was under national government rather than the federal government
17:12 Unknowns being incarcerated without due process in the US
18:03 1/2 of all people are in prison for victimless crimes.
18:42 25% of the worlds prisoners are in US prisons
19:15 Racketeering is going on.
21:25 Spitzer issue becomes a smokescreen - he had ordered an investigation of 911
21:50 People are maletable - capable of being prosecuted at any time.
23:36 None of the current presidential candidates are skull and bones...
24:11 People that were rich enough to avoid taxes - Global Prosperity Group
24:49 David Ike
25:15 Creating Problems and then offering the pre-fabricated solution.
26:00 My luck on trading - its like they know what I am about to do.
27:50 Later on, some other friends came over and Larry talked a bit about a real estate transaction.
33:30 7 Statutes sited by the escroe agency to Larry as reason to bring in third parties (HUD) into the transaction.
36:50 The issue of the government hearing the grievences of the people.
38:03 Fed board chairman said - "we need a complete collapse and then we can rebuild it up again."
38:50 Fed gets Wall Street.
39:20 Most judges know we are bankrupt and in foreclosure.
40:00 Money Masters reference again.
40:42 Dictatorship is the most efficient form of government - especially with a good dictator.
41:40 Use US notes to get us out of this.
42:26 Kennedy family and inheritance taxes
43:00 Car title transfer trick

Principles In Liberty #17

2008-03-27T23:48:00.000-07:00

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00:47 Veoh TV Plug See http://www.veoh.com
01:40 Gnostic videos
02:30 The Gnostic view
03:50 Zeitgeist and Esoteric Agenda
05:05 The Astrological Age
06:00 Ye shall be as gods.
09:00 True religion is the only legit source for true freedom in this world.
10:00 The false arguement of the Gnostics.
11:30 Tom Bearden movie
15:00 Lock Translated project

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Esoteric Agenda
Energy from the vacuum part 1
Energy from the vacuum part 2

Principles in Liberty #16

2008-03-19T06:38:00.000-07:00

This podcast is a public apology to Mr. Weaver, the bureaucrat at the Idaho Department of Water Resources I spoke and emailed with concerning my water rights permit issues.

This podcast was pulled because, upon reflection, I realized that in my pride and hypocricy, I violated the very principles of freedom I am trying to defend.

I recorded our phone conversations without Mr. Weaver's knowledge and published them to this blog without his permission.

This is the very same sort of thing our government is doing right now to every one of us. In fact, its worse, because our government is not publishing our secret conversations, just listening/reading them.

I hope this apology can amend for any damage I might have done to Mr. Weaver and that it serves as an example that we cannot promote the principles of freedom by violating them ourselves.

This should also be a reminder to me to think about what I record and publish before doing so.

Sandy Staab

Principles In Liberty 15

2008-03-12T05:54:00.000-07:00

Ever obtained a water right? Ever think about what this implies?

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Recorded on 3/12/2008

A discussion of a situation that arose concerning water rights I requested for my property.
Eclesasties 7:7 "Surely opression maketh a wise man mad; and a gift destroyeth the heart"
What does needing a license to use water imply?
Am I free or a slave?
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Here is my original email to the Idaho Dept. of Water Resources:

I received a permit review from you regarding my water right permit #81-07152

It appears that my addition of a hydro power system utilizing available spring runoff water which included a diversion of spring water flow to collect it for this use requires the permit request to be amended

This is the first water right I have ever had an interest in so please forgive me if my questions are that of a simpleton.

What does the term "Water Right" mean? It would appear that this is not a right at all but a privilege granted by the state to the licensee via the permitting process.
Since the term "license" implies permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal, why is it otherwise illegal to use water on property I hold clear fee-simple title to?
Do I own a license referenced by this permit? If so, what constitutes proof of my license? All I have in my possession is a form showing I have applied for a permit. How can I possess proof of my license? It appears my license is not yet perfected either so what should I assume is the status of permission to use this privilege?
If I am required to have a license to use water that is naturally flowing on my property am I to assume that it is illegal to use any water on my land without a license? Does this include rainwater that falls from the sky before it touches the land?
I have several ponds I have created on my property and I have been told I need a permit in order to obtain fish to stock them. What is the nature of such a permit? I have heard that obtaining a permit for ponds is actually me granting jurisdiction to the issuer of the permit rather than obtaining permission to use that which I do not own. Can you clarify how exactly obtaining a permit of this type effects my ownership rights and standing WRT the state?
Are there any licenses implied simply by holding fee simple title to the land which I should be aware of? Is fee-simple title ownership at all or is it merely a declaration of an interest in something I cannot own?
If I do not own the water on my land, even with a "water right" then who does? Is water ownership in the hands of a single entity or spread out across multiple entities?
Since water flows onto and off of my land and eventually encompasses the globe and is generally neither created nor destroyed, how can it be owned at all by any entity other than all mankind? How did the state come to acquire ownership rights over such a resource?
It appears that it is a condition for approval that the hydropower I extract from the water be subordinate to any other use - why? Does the state also own any power generated by this licensed resource?
It appears that the Director of Water Resources will require some 6 years or more to review this license - why such a long time? By default am I to assume I have the privilege granted until so denied? Can I be held liable for making such an assumption?
My "rights" may be revoked or amended it seems at any future time so how is this a "right" in any sense of the word? Why is the state even bothering with all this paperwork - why does it not simply declare itself the sovereign over all water and dispense with all pretence of rights or ownership by individuals?
Who determines the "interest of the public"? Is the Director (or whoever this entity would be) subject to public election or recall? How am I represented here? Is the entity held under any kind of oath?
Should I have asked permission prior to diverting the water for hydro power use? Who would I ask and what process would I use? What would be the limits to my liability for not asking premission?
I would like to create a dam on Cedar Creek on my property for the use of environmental enhancement, water conservation, and more hydro power. How would I proceed to acquire permission to do such a project? If such a project were done, would I have any control or rights over the fruit of my labor or the power generated by the dam?
Do I have any rights to the air I breathe? Who owns that? If it is not collectively owned by the state as water appears to be, how does air differ from water in this respect?
Can I assume my body is my own or do state regulations on health care imply that I don't own that either?
Do I have any rights at all? If so what rights to I have beyond being a slave?
Do I own anything in absolute alodial title? If so, what might that be? If I can obtain alodial title to anything, how would I go about doing so?
Is the fruit of my labor and intelligence also owned by another besides God? If so, who would this be and why? How did I come to be a slave?
I think everything in your letter is in order as far as I can figure out. I am thus signing your "application for amendment" and tendering the $50 fee as requested. Its nice to know that my government is serving me so well by only charging me only $50 to process this paperwork and maybe granting me a license sometime after December 28th, 2014 which is revocable at any time. I stand humbly grateful for your imperial favor on my behalf.

Truly I am not trying to be trite or smart here - with all due respect, I wish to understand how this circumstance is even possible in a republican system under law.

I realize some of these questions are a bit philosophical but one must realize that the requests you are making of me in this letter imply some very disturbing truths. If all water on all lands are owned by the state/public I would think I need a license to drink it and thus to live. This implies nothing less than the fact that totalitarian communism as our current form of government. This also implies I am nothing more than a slave and can be subject to starvation, dehydration, or asphyxiation at the state's whim. Quite disturbing in a place once known as "the land of the free and the home of the brave" don’t you think?

Thank you so much Mr. Weaver for your time.
Sincerely
Your humble servant (literally)
Me

Principles In Liberty 14

2008-02-28T23:08:00.000-08:00

An interview with Bill Davis

Bill is a long time friend, probably my best friend and the most influential person in my life. The above picture came from his website with his two sons and wife Deanna. He has what most people covet in life - money, health, family, travel - you name it. Bill is the picture of liberty and the american dream come true. So here follows an interview I did with him over Skype about what makes ecconomic freedom possible.

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Recorded on 2/28/2008

An interview with Bill Davis

01:25 How does a typical american achieve economic freedom?
01:50 Bills life - how he got here
03:20 How did you pick Pismo Beach to live in?
04:25 Tight times.
05:25 Travels.
07:30 Anybody can do this.
08:20 Is America any different than other places?
10:20 Buying over time, used debt to leverage position.
11:00 Others have failed, why did you succeed?
12:44 Used variable interest rates to his advantage.
13:40 Being safe enough to survive and gain confidence.
14:50 What do you think about this credit crunch?
18:00 What about the global aspect of this crunch?
19:20 Does the cycle frequency change due to the global reach of the cycle?
20:00 Bills attributes
20:37 Bill's Jujitsu stuff
21:45 Aspects of the economy are getting worse
22:50 How to measure the degree of socialism.
24:37 Inflation.
26:49 You are unusual - what is different about Bill Davis?

Principles In Liberty 13

2008-02-25T18:46:00.000-08:00

Finishing off the Pensylvania Minority Report

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Recorded on 2/22/2008 and 2/25/2008

Continuing reading of the Pensylvania Minority Report from the Anti-Federalist Papers
00:29 Intro.
00:50 Trial by Jury
01:15 Civil courts too expensive - wealthy will prevail
01:32 Blackstone site: Issue over an Ox cost ridiculous amounts of time and money back in england.
02:50 Civil courts, especially appeals with be prohibitivly expensive for the average man.
03:40 Trial by Jury in criminal cases can be avoided by Civil proceedings.
04:23 No provision for trial to be in the same county as the crime.
04:44 Judges may not be unbiased due to fees and other instruments in place.
05:05 My case - traffic court fees go to the judges pension
05:41 Some comments on jury trial by me
06:30 Civil vs Common Law - my attempts to understand this
08:07 Mixture of powers allowed in constitution.
08:36 Judges appointed by Executive and Senate
08:49 Senate has treaty power to override constitution and state laws.
09:30 Only a relatively few people control this power thus open to corruption and control
10:06 Senate presides over impeachments - what about the senate itself?
10:42 Montesque: separation of powers absolutely necessary for freedom.
11:54 President is dangerously connected with the senate
12:13 Power of pardoning can be used to free co-actors in evil acts.
12:33 Small independent council recommended to rule on any executive step.
12:50 My Comments about pardons going on now.
13:36 Direct taxing power can override all other taxes and endanger private property rights.
14:12 My comments - no limit on tax amounts or modes.
14:30 What if we had % tax limits?
15:13 No control by the states on federal taxes.
15:50 Reps will not be responsive to the people.
16:20 Keeping reps tied closely to the people helps prevent them from passing opressive laws.
16:48 My comments - Our congressmen don't use our SSN system - but use their own pension system.
18:05 Not enough reps - too many people represented by each. They won't really represent the people.
19:45 My Comments - we got the bill of rights so it didn't decay as fast as they had expected.
20:33 Congress will not posess the confidence of the people, requireing armys to compell obedience to the laws.
21:35 A standing army (militia) is a big problem.
22:10 My Comments - militia may eventually be used to take our own property.
22:58 Militia could compell militias of one state to oppress the citizens of others.
23:30 Contientous objectors were honored in the revoluntionary war but may not be for the militia.
24:02 Militia may be used to extinguish the last struggles of liberty.
24:43 My comments - militia used to divide the people.
25:10 They think this is all planned to destroy liberty.
25:40 Swarms of officers will devour the land.
26:05 Summary - these are only our largest objections of a general nature only.
26:45 End of the Minority Report: My comments
27:37 We are never taught in public school about the confederacy prior to the constitution for comparison.
28:34 We rarely study the state constitutions in school either.

Principles In liberty 12

2008-02-07T23:58:00.000-08:00

More going over the Pensylvania Minority Report - fascinating what the anti-federalists saw coming down the road.

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Recorded on 2/6/2008

01:00 Intro to the Pensylvania Minority Report continued
01:22 Congress controls state legislatures ultimately.
02:23 Congress, having control of election particulars may, on opportunity delay elections to maintain themselves in office.
03:43 Gradual breaking the spirt of the people
04:08 General government firmly established.
04:13 Standing army renders opposition vain
05:19 Montesque: Spirit of Laws - democracy overrides sovereignty.
07:26 I just got it - what this means.
08:18 Don't let congress control the elections.
08:30 Constitution does not preserve state sovereignty while Articles of Confderation did.
09:27 Trying to get back into the thinking of the founders.
09:50 You would think American citizens would be tought this - but would the government teach people how to resist its growth?
10:33 Caucus is comming up, Ron Paul caucus training, Ron Paul comments.
12:20 Understanding this thinking is key.
12:48 Legislature is sufficient in its power alone to swallow up the states in a grand empire.
13:22 Judicial power is enough to grow to eoncompase the states as well.
14:40 These guys see problems that can effect us much later.
15:00 Powers of courts is enough to keep out the ability of the common man to use them.
16:00 Consolidation pervades the whole constitution.
16:14 Preamble bypases the states.
16:36 Powers in this document will effect consolidation.
16:57 We the people - the phrase that pays and plays well.
17:39 Predicts rapid transformation to despotism.
18:30 Principles: omition of a bill of rights.
18:56 Bill of rights enumerated briefly
19:40 Legislature needs to have proper, fair, equal representation of all - but it does not.
20:52 Test of these principles:
21:08 House
21:34 Senate
22:16 Only 26 men (at that time) control the sense of congress with this system.
22:47 States are not fairly represented either.
23:01 Only upper classes can be represented.
23:18 Unsafe - too exposed to corruption and influence.
23:54 Inadequate - too long a term, bad mode.
24:17 House memebers could be increased but not likely due to senate having to approve and will lose predomanancy if done so.
24:56 A revolution would be needed to add reps/people.
25:23 Judicial test:
25:40 Civil law principles are used - not common law.
26:21 Trial by jury is not included in civil cases.
26:35 Law and fact apeals must use civil law. Jurie's decisions are not final under this system.
27:13 Common vs Civil Law
27:56 All cases of law and equity is Civil Law and applies to all cases.
28:46 Common vs Civil Law - my views
29:24 contracts get tricky
The Minority Report to be continued...

Principles In Liberty 11

2008-02-06T18:15:00.000-08:00

Back to jus lillo me. I decided that it was most valueable to read the entire Pensylvania Minority report to you and comment on it. An awesome article!

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Recorded on 2/6/2008

00:50 The Pensylvania Minority Report
01:46 Intro to the report
02:46 Start reading the report
04:50 Convention was called to merely ammend the articles of confederation, not to do more.
06:15 Pensylvania's 6 reps were opposed from the beginning.
06:50 A work (the constitution) of haste.
07:55 Intro to the points by me.
08:40 Point 1: Right of consience/religion
09:10 Point 2: Trial by Jury
09:23 Point 3: Due process preserved in fed courts
10:03 Point 4: Excessive bail/fines not allowed
10:35 Point 5: Warrants need evidence to back them up
11:09 Point 6: Freedom of speech/press
11:24 Point 7: Right to bear arms, Military under civil authority
12:00 Point 8: Right to hunt/fish on public lands
12:31 Point 9: Limits on modes of taxation by fed
12:50 Poitn 10: Preserve district sizes by growing rep count appropriately.
14:28 Point 11: Militia stays under control of the states.
15:40 Point 12: Separation of powers, constitutional council appointed to interpret the constituition
16:19 Point 13: Treaties cannot override existing laws/constitutions.
16:51 Point 14: Judicial jurisdiction limits spelled out, Preservation of inheritance, titles, contracts.
18:22 Post point part of minority report
19:20 the People are acountable
19:50 Dissent reasons - can't manage a large nation without despotism or federalism
20:40 Quotes federalist Wilson to make following points:
21:20 Looks like the size of our land naturally forces us towards despotism
22:21 Fed must eventually absorb the powers of the states by design of the union.
24:36 The constitution grants full power over the purse and sword to the fed.
25:17 Section 8, Article 1
25:40 Congress taxes not limited by mode, eventually overriding the state's ability to tax.
26:39 General welfare clause opens the gates.
27:06 Article 6 allows treaties to override constitution.
27:50 Constitution contains blinds to prevent perception of its weaknesses.
28:25 Jurisdictions of state/fed governments are not well defined and thus collide.
To be continued...

Principles In Liberty 10

2008-02-02T22:10:00.001-08:00

We conclude our interview with Steve Pidgeon.

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Recorded on January 31st, 2008

00:42 Bush wants tax cuts permanent
01:00 No way to save Social Security.
01:40 End of the federal government.
02:10 There was a question of the US would survive 911.
03:00 Better figure out how we will avoid starvation.
03:50 If your company is willing to sell out your family, what about your job?
06:26 Get ready
06:49 Why we haven't collapsed yet.
07:30 Spiritual Warfare is comming
07:40 Bombing/Invasion is comming.
08:10 Muslim growth globally
09:50 We need to be light and salt, not tax protestors.
10:30 What if we embrace the world of truth and love God has for us?
11:30 The idols of our day.
12:25 No ruling class, only champions that rise when needed.
13:20 What is freedom? Know the truth...
14:18 The remnant may require sacrifice
15:10 Thank you steve!
15:45 Wrapup with notes about Steve and a sample of his piano playing

Principles In Liberty 9

2008-02-02T09:34:00.000-08:00

Yet more of my interview with Steve Pidgeon. Enjoy!

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Recorded on January 31st, 2008

00:40 How to privatze the SSN system.
01:06 We are now spending 4 trillion $ per year more than we take in right now.
01:48 Debt of 60 Trillion $, drivitive debt of 55 trillion, trade deficit of 1 trillion $/year.
02:40 FED drops rates - suicide freefall of the dollar.
03:11 New home sales down 40% from 2006.
03:39 median home price dropped 10% in december of 2007.
04:00 Single largest plummit in home prices since WWII
04:24 Caused by an immoral tax rate.
04:40 Progressive taxes are immoral.
05:15 Governments that are not righteous are subject to the wrath of God.
05:33 We can't even chose to pay just 13%
06:11 Supreme court will not hear the question of if we are allowed to withold support if it continuse to not redress our grievences.
06:49 Thou shalt not steal applies to governments.
07:00 Property tax is theft.
08:40 Italian propety rights still honored.
11:50 God, Family, Country in that order.
12:07 Fed Govt pays states $3 or every $ collected in child support.
13:40 Over taxation leads to oppression and imballance.
14:49 One foot away from a complete colapse of the federal system.
16:00 What a Christian should do. Prayer, Read the Word, Engage the culture.
18:00 What is Freedom, What is Truth, What is Rightousness?
20:32 The solid ground of truth.
20:52 Government has a duty to find rightousness or the social order will collapse.
21:15 Maria Can't Do too well.
22:00 The disaster of our ecconomy.
24:20 Europe going Muslim
26:00 Prices will go up sharply.
26:15 China support
26:50 Banks will disappear - will take 1.5 years to work out.
27:00 one airline likely left.
27:40 Soviet Union collapsed the same way.
29:00 Real Estate run up to make us look healthy.

Principles In Liberty 8

2008-02-01T17:54:00.001-08:00

Steve Pidgeon continues with more discussions on moral society and how it relates to our freedom and the wellbeing of a society.

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Recorded on January 31st, 2008

00:43 S1185, once passed, opens the door to full blown pagan society.
01:20 This gives any nation the moral authority to destroy us.
01:48 Barny Frank attempted to create a separate class for the enda bill to eliminate "Sexual Orientation"
02:30 This effects the Church and starts persecution of the Church.
03:25 The necessity of the 10 commandments in the town square to support a free society.
03:56 Where is the line for christians to respect government authority?
05:19 There is nothing that belongs to Cezar.
05:36 Can government commit a crime?
05:50 Ahab and Jezibel confiscating a vineyard.
07:20 Can the state murder?
07:41 5th Ammendment - allows for confiscation of property.
09:05 Supreme Court decision changed "public use" to include whatever increases tax revenues.
10:00 Real Estate crash is part of the wrath of God.
10:15 Stalin
12:00 Iraq was at one time green.
12:38 Christians should never revolt - but stand firm and be persecuted.
12:56 Mark of the beast.
15:05 When do you not pay taxes or get rid of your SSN?
16:49 2 Samuel - the time of the judges, led by God. No capital, no head to cut off.
21:00 Churches want the tithe for the storehouse, but that has been subverted by government.
21:35 Three tithes in the Bible.
22:12 Moral tax rate is 13% and no more.
22:40 What is the "church" today?
23:00 501C3 tax protection racket corrupts the church.
24:00 Who is the Church?
24:30 What is the tithe?
25:00 Mission trip in TIbolisi, Georgia - example of lost church.
25:57 Persecution for the church in the US is comming.
26:13 There is moral authority for the state to impose up to 13% flat tax only.
26:49 Hong Kong has done this. Look at the results.
27:00 SSN Crash, Ecconomic vitality proposal. What is comming financially.
28:25 How to privatze the SSN system.

More of this interview comming in our next podcast...

Principles In Liberty 7

2008-02-01T09:45:00.000-08:00

More stuff from Steve Pidgeon on the legal aspects of same sex mariages and its effect on liberty.
This is a continuation from Principles In Liberty 6.

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Recorded on January 31st, 2008

00:42 Lesbian mariage and the consequences for their kids
00:57 Ecconomic Assessment of same sex mariage laws report
01:25 Alliance Defence Fund email - hate speach laws being adopted in many countries
02:30 Gay vs Lesbian Mariage disolution rates, Gender influence problem
03:24 Washington State's Domestic partnership laws - privilages granted.
04:26 Meritritious relationships and probate
06:09 Domestic Partnerships created and destroyed by affidavit whereas heterosexual mariage requires several court hearings to disolve making it discriminatory by nature.
06:29 who creates mariage vs domestic partnerships, state interest in the mariage, licenses
07:50 God ordained relationships
09:00 State asserts control of mariage regardless of license.
10:13 Rights vs Privilages
12:42 Bill of Rights gives privilages just by protecting rights explicitly.
13:00 No authority greater than the state vs authority comes from God.
13:30 No God authority always results in death by government.
15:20 Scripture distinguishes between state, culture and individual. Isaiah 1:10
18:00 Codification of immoral behavior is promised wrath in scripture.
19:00 Domestic violence in the Lesbian community
19:43 MRSA virus in gay community
22:00 Logic for death penalty for homosexuality.
12:31 Mosaic law for death penalty: Leveticus 20
23:10 Cutoff from the land - nations that no longer exist.
23:30 Nineva still exists in the curds.
24:30 curses of immoral behavior from levitical law
25:10 Historical rise of homosexual cultures - society gone within 3 generations.
26:00 Homosexual behavior is the gateway to full blown pagan behavior.
26:30 S1185 - Hate crimes bill
27:00 Example: gay rights parade protest
28:20 The language of S1185 protects "Sexual Orientation". It protects perversion in general.

More comming in the next Principles In Liberty podcast...

Principles In Liberty 6

2008-01-25T22:39:00.000-08:00

This is an interesting one - because I'm not doing all the talking.
Meet our guest - Stephen Pidgeon.
Steve is a lawyer in several branches of law (Family, International, Business, etc.), a concert pianist and a heck of a smart guy.
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Recorded on Jan 25th, 2008

00:26 A joke by Steve
01:00 Intro of Steve Pidgon, Lawyer, Concerpt Pianist and Intellectual at large
01:36 Steve speaks: Bill of rights
02:26 Nineth Ammendment
02:42 What are the rights retained by the people? The ten commandments.
03:40 First ammendment
04:11 What is a religion?
08:27 Islam - a political system more than it is a religion
09:00 what are the limits of religion?
10:00 Assuming separation of church and state - what do you teach in public school?
10:30 How do you establish a trusted fact?
11:20 A fundamental premise of judeo-christian system of thought
12:41 A divide in the our in thought about what is true - christian vs post-modern
14:00 license is not liberty
15:10 what is wrong with homosexuality?
15:44 Harvard Journal Report on Ecconomic effects of Homosexuality
16:50 Gay vs straight divorce rates compared
17:50 Effects of divorce
19:30 divorce is discouraging mariage
20:00 same sex mariage effects on progeny
22:00 The blurring of who has parental rights
22:55 Once a lesbian woman gets pregnant things change
23:50 Case law is showing broken gay mariages wanting to remove their ex-partner from their child.
25:23 Beethoven born of a mom with syphilis - world was gifted by his disability
26:00 The disabled glorify God
26:17 Secrets of the Gay Community
26:47 Mommy and Daddy outlawed from CA and discriminating locker rooms banned.
28:00 Lesbian domestic violence

... to be continued...

Principles In Liberty 5

2008-01-22T17:43:00.000-08:00

In this episode we briefly cover the 5th ammendment from the previous episode, do some ranting, and move on to start covering the 6th ammendment.
I insert some snipits here from the Daily Source Code and No Agenda.

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Recorded on Jan 16th and Jan 22nd, 2008

01:20 reading of the 5th ammendment
02:10 No Agenda insert from Nov 9th, 2007 - story of a texas abduction told by Adam Curry and John Devorak
07:00 comments on abduction
08:10 respect for the job of the president
09:30 intro to DSC excerpt about TSA
09:50 Nov. 2007 Daily Source Code excerpt "I'm on the list" by Adam Curry
12:28 Comments on this relating to the 5th ammendment
13:20 International treaties commented on
14:13 Idea that the supreme court interprets the constitution discussed
15:00 The "list" violates the 5th amendment.
15:41 Lemmings at the airport
16:00 Equal protection of the law implies the poeple can do exactly what the government does WRT the constitution.
16:50 National day of "unemergency".
18:14 Buy Wrong comments
18:56 Dropout comment
19:30 6th Ammendment read
20:10 comments on 6th ammendment

Principles in Liberty 4

2008-01-16T17:13:00.000-08:00

I finish up the 5th ammendment here and give some general liberty-like comments.

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Recorded on Jan 16th, 2008
00:38 The Fifth Ammendment
02:30 Detention case mention in the DSC
03:00 Testimony against mariage partner bared
04:00 Womens sufferage - chief argument against is testifying against self.
06:30 Culture drives law
08:00 Public Education drives culture
09:10 Pensylvania Minority report - Section 3
10:10 Admiralty Law vs Civil/Criminal Law - the Law of the Land
12:34 Taking of property for public use without just compensation
14:23 General comments
15:00 Minority report in general
16:30 The natural decay of law and language
17:00 Guests are comming
18:38 Liberty concepts - false thinking destroys liberty

Principles In Liberty 3

2008-01-08T12:23:00.000-08:00

Here we cover the 4th and 5th ammendments with a some parts extracted from Adam Curry's DailySourceCode podcast.

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Recorded on Jan 6, 2008
00:15 What a gap in time!
00:48 technical problems
02:30 interviews are comming
02:50 credit for bumper music to Mark Isham
04:17 Fourth Ammendment
05:00 Airport searches violate this
06:35 Naomi Wolf reference
08:40 SPOT program exceeding bounds of this ammendment
09:04 Oaths required
10:12 Section 5 of Pensylvania Minority Report
11:20 Section 14 of the Virginia convention
12:37 Articles of Confederation contrasted with constitution
14:14 Excerpts from Adam Curry's podcasts DSC nov 1st 2007 & Jan 4th 2008 on his TSA experience (see http://dailysourcecode.podshow.com)
20:18 Fifth Ammendment
21:14 Grand Juries
21:47 the prosecutor is the people
23:05 Military and war exceptions
23:30 Executive orders take advantage of these
24:25 War vs Peace in constitution
25:04 Double jeopardy
25:21 multiple jurisdictional jeopardy
26:25 Buck act & emergency laws have confused jurisdictions
27:55 Jury decison should be final
28:35 Testifying against self

Principles In Liberty 2.5

2008-01-05T20:38:00.000-08:00

I thought I would experiment with this a bit. Here is a mashup I made of parts of one of Adam Curry's Daily Source Code podcasts for fun.

Principles In Liberty 1

2008-01-05T20:35:00.000-08:00

Well here we go with the first podcast!

Basically I start to go into the constitution here starting with the first amendment.

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Recorded on Nov 28, 2006
00:30 Why I am doing this
01:35 My Dream
03:25 Money is not real
03:35 Licenses
04:33 Talking about the constitution
05:00 Bill of rights - where the rubber meets the road
06:06 Loss of language and Rhetoric
06:50 First Ammendment
08:35 A moral populace can have self government
09:29 right of assembly
11:26 right of petition for redress
12:12 we the people foundation (http://www.wethepeople.org)
13:16 from freedom to facisim movie
15:15 freedom of speech
15:56 Obsene vs free speech
16:42 fundamentals behind law - Truth/Love/Faithfulness
17:09 Juries
19:07 Establishment of and freedom of religion
19:30 true vs false religion
20:08 Maxims of law
20:45 Declaration of Independence - Creator acknowledged
22:39 True religion
23:10 The order of powers
23:40 Moral law
24:54 Waco
26:00 false religous arguments
26:40 Drugs
27:50 the argument for diversity
28:30 whacky religions tolerated by a truly religous society

Principles In Liberty 2

2008-01-05T20:29:00.000-08:00

This was posted out of order - sorry.
Here is the second podcast covering the second and third amendments.
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Summary
Recorded on Nov 29th 2006
0:0:36 Wrap up first ammendment
Federalist and Anti Federalist Papers - insight into the constitution
Pensylvania Minority Report - objections to the constitution by the anti-federalists
Founded the bill of rights
3:40 Section 1 of Minority Report - insight into religion/state issues
4:48 Why is religion sacred?
5:15 Section 6 - freedom of speech/press.
7:27 Second Ammendment
8:26 The problem of increased technology
9:50 England an example of gun control
10:00 The problem of defenseless people
11:26 This right has been infringed
11:38 Brady Bill translated from Hitler's germany
12:46 Section 7 of the Minority Report - why we need guns
13:13 What is the milita?
14:15 No disarming unless a crime was committed.
14:36 Standing armies - the state of peace vs war
16:08 Military under civilian control
16:28 Weapons needed by populace to become the milita
17:00 Hunting rights mentioned in section 7
17:44 Militia under control of the state
18:53 Possie Camatatus Act
20:27 Virgina Convention proposed bill of rights - more insight
20:42 point 17 - arms
24:00 NRA
24:38 Prisoners make guns
25:25 Police vs Peace Officer
26:20 Magistrates vs Judges
26:50 War powers act of 1917
27:17 Third Ammendment
28:24 Trusting the people - the grand experiment
29:00 Deceptive laws.

Welcome

2006-12-07T23:07:00.000-08:00

Welcome to the home of Principles In Liberty.

I decided to create this as the base for a podcast on constitutional principles.
We celebrate the 4th of July every year.
We are jealous of our freedoms.
We toute all the time that we live in a free country.

But how often or have we ever really read the constitution or other documents related to understanding it? Do you really know your rights? Do you know what it means? Do you know why it says what it says?

My goal is to produce an easy to understand, non-abusive, easy to understand review of constitutional principles and other principles in law.

My hope is that this will spur a better love of freedom and make us all better citizens to make our world a better place to live.

Sandy