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Thursday, August 8, 2013

The problem of Usery


The other day I happened to be attending a "training" session on Melaluca which was being run by my pastor and a visiting pastor whom I will call Bob. 
Bob had a history of being in MLM (Multi-Level-Marketing) sales operations and said he quit them all long ago but found Melaluca to be worth joining.
He had gone over the products with me earlier that day and convinced me to sign up (for only 1$ entry fee (special deal)) so I ordered my first monthly required minimum order and was on my way as a member of my pastor's ministry's downline.

As the training meeting went on, Bob shared the following statements:
I have never sold anything with Melaluca
Melaluca is not an MLM organization
He then proceeded to go on about the benefits of getting percentages of your downline members and explained the matrix they use to calculate benefits and the various levels people can rise to based on sales volumes of their downline.

After almost 2 and a half hours of this I asked him to please define to me what he meant by the term "sell".  Bob responded with a "what does it matter what it means - whatever it means to you is fine by me".  I tried to explain to Bob that I cannot understand what he means by such statements as "I have never sold anything with Melaluca" if I don't know his meaning of the word "Sold".  He continued to evade my point and would not define his terms.

Now to me, if someone refuses to define his terms, he either doesn't know what he is talking about or he is trying to deceive.
Bob and my pastor continued to stress that they were men of integrity and that everything was above-board yet Bob never did explain what he meant.

Bob and I got quite heated in our exchanges as Bob perceived that I was just trying to show the audience that Melaluca was an MLM firm.  But I could not make such a point with him because Bob would never nail down his terms.  He never defined what an MLM firm is or how Melaluca precisely differed from other known MLM firms like Shaklee or Amway except to point out that Melaluca sales are "direct" from the company to the member.  In other words, Amway up-lines deliver product to their down-line while Melaluca delivers product directly to the buyer.  To me this is a moot  point of delivery and has no real difference from other MLM companies in that both companies still have an MLM structure to them for sales and recruitment.

I pointed out to Bob that he showed me the catalog, convinced me to join, helped me to select the items I wanted to buy, filled out the order form, took my contact information, and had me sign the form.  He also collected my credit card info to place on the form.
In essence, because I met Bob, I purchased about $160 of product from Melaluca and Bob and my pastor's ministry would both see a percentage of my purchase going into their pockets in the next months Melaluca member payments.
But Bob insists this is NOT a sale and that he has never sold me or anyone anything from Melaluca.  He insists this because he didn't personally take my money and he didn't personally deliver the goods to me.

So this all sounds like a tedious and moot argument between me and Bob right?  I contend, however, that it is of central importance to who we are and the integrity of our characters.

So here's the big picture I see:
Bob is compromised.  He is selling goods in an MLM firm and is misrepresenting it as a direct marketing firm with himself having nothing to do with sales even though he IS selling by the common definition of selling.  He had to admit that he was marketing products for Melaluca but that was all he would admit to here.
This compromise with the truth could affect my pastor and the integrity of his ministry as well.  If my pastor becomes tricked into misrepresenting himself and Melaluca in order to gain members in order to gain money for his ministry, I wonder how long it will be before true support for that ministry dries up.

The trouble with MLMs in general is that they are an insidious form of USERY.  A direct and simple marketing business creates a product or service and simply sells it to whomever wants it.  The goal of a godly business is to server mankind, not make money.  Profit is the reward for serving others well. Most businesses use advertising to get the message out and they do their best to make the best and cheapest products they can.  Advertising can be honest and honorable or it can be deceptive and manipulating.
MLM systems use a different form of marketing that explodes by the incentive of gaining huge cash income by siphoning off the purchases of people in their down-line.
The cost of goods increases for everyone and the excess pays the marketing costs.
This in itself is not bad.  It is simply another method of marketing a product.  It can work quite well.
What is the problem is misrepresenting the nature of the program and of the agent in order to achieve more sales.  Lying in any model of marketing makes it ungodly.
MLM systems are unpopular because companies in the past have eventually saturated their markets and failed.  As long as the pyramid grows, everyone has hope and works to grow.  Once growth stops, for whatever reason, the system implodes.  Those at the top make tons of money and those at the bottom cannot rise easily with a growing pyramid.  Incentive goes away and the system dies.
This is because the real incentive behind MLM systems is always money.  No matter how good the products are, for some reason, companies don't feel this is good enough.  They must create an MLM system to push the product out and grow sales.
MLM inherently USES its people by REDISTRIBUTING the profits of sales from the leaf buyers to the trunk marketers.  Anytime you have a redistribution of wealth, you have a strong indicator of usery.
Usery is a contagious idea once it gets started.  In our country and the whole world now, usery is enshrined in the use of land via property taxes and in the use of our labor in income taxes and especially in the use of our money by fractional reserve currency.
This usery forces people to exploit the land to pay their taxes.  This in turn creates demand for things like fertalizers and GMO corn and GMO animals to exploit the land better.  Considerations for handing down property to our heirs is of much lower priority because owners must pay the rent in the form of property tax.
Pretty soon it looks like everybody is exploiting everybody else and it becomes a "do unto others before they do unto you" situation.
The same kind of deleterious effects happen with income taxes and fiat debt money.  They force a society to create too much wealth and burn out the land, and the people to support the userpers - the bankers, the government and any other middleman that makes a living by not creating wealth but instead by redistributing it.
MLMs do create wealth by creating products to sell but that wealth gets the appearance of multiplication to the upper tree members who pull a portion of the profits from their downline people.  The system appears to be upright because people that help their downline succeed in turn succeed themselves.  However, there will always be an exploited leaf node in the system footing all the bills and only making token money.
Don't get me wrong, the worker is worthy of his wages.  A CEO or sales manager undergoes much responsibility and stress and requires a larger reward to make the work worth doing.  I don't advocate an equality based system of compensation in business.  In fact, any system of deciding how much a person gets is ok for a business so long as it is an honest system.  MLM is no exception.
The higher you get in an MLM system, just like the higher you get in government or banking or whatever, the more the rewards become, but likewise corruption will become an issue - especially if the rewards don't come from hard work but from the fleecing of others.
Free enterprise works because it harnesses the greed of the individual to drive him into productive behavior, but when a preacher of the Word lets this greed manipulate him into misrepresenting himself or his business it becomes one of the most insidious forms of corruption - the holly salesman.
It is the holly salesman, whether TV evangelist, MLM manager or itinerant preacher, who is the source of so many people leaving the church and never coming back again.  It is a hypocritical poison that makes people hate the very God their leaders claim to love.
Using other peoples money via rentals, MLM systems, fraud, hidden contracts or unlawful taxation isn't really much different from a banker charging usery on loans and is clearly condemned by the bible.
The only reason governments get to tax people is because no one has found a way to fund it otherwise.  That is because government is an entity that is needed because of sin.  Once a government turns its taxing power into a way to steal from one person to give to another, it becomes one of the most destructive forces mankind has ever created that will eventually destroy civilization itself if not checked.
So what IS a lawful tax anyway?  I think the constitution makes this clear - either apportioned (everybody pays the same amount) or excise (everyone pays that uses something the government provides - such as secure borders - in the form of tariffs).

Next week, a lesson on the Jubilee!
 

 

Friday, July 9, 2010

Principles In Liberty 52 - Save A Patriot Fellowship


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Recorded on 7/9/2010

This episode is dedicated to CPAs and Tax Consultants that may not realize they could be misinforming their clients about the law regarding income tax.
See Save A Patriot Fellowship
See this recent Seattle Weekly article on David Struckman

Tuesday, January 13, 2009

Principles In Liberty 32


An evening with Steve Pidgeon Part IV



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Recorded on 12/30/2008

00:50 Valdez boom
02:10 Stephen's proposals http://www.stephenpidgeon.com/
05:50 Sandy's objections
08:00 The importance of proper property title
08:59 Support for the lawsuit
09:15 Conservative Enthusasts where Stephen will be speaking: http://www.consenthus.hypermart.net/
10:00 Tax matters, ecconomic solutions
12:00 Troops to protect the government make it easier for the government to fall.
12:37 Zimbabwe currency http://www.ivarhagendoorn.com/files/blog/zimbabwe-2008-01-18.jpg
13:12 Zimbabwe history
13:51 The story of Steve Bernard
14:35 Stephen's death threat
17:00 People are starting to get uptight about Stephen's lawsuit.
18:23 Clint Bolack and Institute For Justice http://ij.org/
18:53 Writ of Cercariae
19:31 Sandy's proposed Jury System when we lose a justice system.
21:40 The rule of law is crumbling
22:22 High School history
22:50 Sandy states his interim justice system proposal
26:18 Stephen's Peoples Tribunal
27:13 Lost 13th Ammendment
28:30 Judges will get ya
29:04 Bar associations in the time of Blackstone
31:00 How do we remove the complexity from the law?
33:20 60% of the court docket is divorce
34:00 How to get a system that administers the spirit of the law.

Friday, December 5, 2008

Principles In Liberty #27

A picture I took of Glen the day of our first interview
Glen Stoll - part IV
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Recorded on 11/5/2008

The saga continues as Glen explains his interactions with Kent Hovind and some of the legal technicalities involved along the way.

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00:25 Kent hovind's problems
1:13 Kents background
2:44 Stanford U. debate example - Practice with mock debates and decided not to take on Kent.
3:24 I met Kent personally. Kent obviously knew about patriot issues.
4:10 Kent refused county building permits on principle
4:50 Sovreignty movement is a great curse - to claim full sovreignty is claiming you're God.
5:42 Ecclesiastical authority - Kent's evidence
6:25 Kent was jailed for praying for his enemies on his radio show
8:55 CSE Blog: Read Kents own words and judge his spirit for yourself from HIS words.
10:30 Prison system critique
12:00 Many innocent people are in prison or dead right now.
12:23 It tedius and difficult to present evidence after sentenceing to prove innocence.
12:51 Bottom line of weiland's book - bible contradicts our current prison system.
14:00 No decent standard of justice.
14:20 back to hovind...
14:40 accused of intimidating an agent for following the process for complaining about the agent's actions.
12:28 How Glen met Kent.
18:00 Glen met with county officials to reconcile differences concerning Hovind.
18:44 lots of animosity making reconciliation impossible.
19:10 Was this animosity Hovind's fault?
20:43 Who has the last word on what is legitimate for the Church to do?
21:18 Financial principles of the Church:
1) Understand Stuardship
2) Remain debt free
3) Show an increase
4) Be charitable
22:30 State has a right to control churches that breach scriptural authority.
22:54 Was Kent violating any of these principles?
23:17 Technically, maybe some things were unwise.
23:54 Glen advised Kent to copyright his material - this change has caused false accusations like this:
24:15 Glen advised Kent to stop talking about taxes and government/legal issues.
26:00 Obstructing - the blanket charge.
26:23 The last time Glen was in jail...
27:20 Subornation of false muster - several hits on this but all seem biased against Hovind. Also see this.
30:35 Deprivation of rights under color of law
31:26 Charged with intimidating a government agent for filing a complaint
31:52 Back to how Kent got here.
33:12 Government argued that the ministrie's income was Kents - not true.
34:00 Ministry had nothing to do with what Kent was being accused of - though the government tried hard to bring in the ministry into the case.
35:30 Government was trying to foreclose on ministry property for things he did independent of the ministry.
37:15 "I've been effectively shut out"
39:00 Dr. Hovind's wife blames Kent for the fix they are in (IMHO says Glen)
41:00 to compensate, Kent says do whatever she wants. This was against Glen's advice.
42:04 two things you need to do before you let a public attorney "help" you.
1) Write a loyality letter and file it
2) Write an abatement and file it
43:15 The abatement contains:
1) Jurisdiction of the court
2) Sufficiency of the plaintif
3) Sufficiency of the defendant
4) Form of the writ

More comming next time!

Saturday, February 2, 2008

Principles In Liberty 9

Yet more of my interview with Steve Pidgeon. Enjoy!

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Recorded on January 31st, 2008

00:40 How to privatze the SSN system.
01:06 We are now spending 4 trillion $ per year more than we take in right now.
01:48 Debt of 60 Trillion $, drivitive debt of 55 trillion, trade deficit of 1 trillion $/year.
02:40 FED drops rates - suicide freefall of the dollar.
03:11 New home sales down 40% from 2006.
03:39 median home price dropped 10% in december of 2007.
04:00 Single largest plummit in home prices since WWII
04:24 Caused by an immoral tax rate.
04:40 Progressive taxes are immoral.
05:15 Governments that are not righteous are subject to the wrath of God.
05:33 We can't even chose to pay just 13%
06:11 Supreme court will not hear the question of if we are allowed to withold support if it continuse to not redress our grievences.
06:49 Thou shalt not steal applies to governments.
07:00 Property tax is theft.
08:40 Italian propety rights still honored.
11:50 God, Family, Country in that order.
12:07 Fed Govt pays states $3 or every $ collected in child support.
13:40 Over taxation leads to oppression and imballance.
14:49 One foot away from a complete colapse of the federal system.
16:00 What a Christian should do. Prayer, Read the Word, Engage the culture.
18:00 What is Freedom, What is Truth, What is Rightousness?
20:32 The solid ground of truth.
20:52 Government has a duty to find rightousness or the social order will collapse.
21:15 Maria Can't Do too well.
22:00 The disaster of our ecconomy.
24:20 Europe going Muslim
26:00 Prices will go up sharply.
26:15 China support
26:50 Banks will disappear - will take 1.5 years to work out.
27:00 one airline likely left.
27:40 Soviet Union collapsed the same way.
29:00 Real Estate run up to make us look healthy.

Friday, February 1, 2008

Principles In Liberty 8

Steve Pidgeon continues with more discussions on moral society and how it relates to our freedom and the wellbeing of a society.

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Recorded on January 31st, 2008

00:43 S1185, once passed, opens the door to full blown pagan society.
01:20 This gives any nation the moral authority to destroy us.
01:48 Barny Frank attempted to create a separate class for the enda bill to eliminate "Sexual Orientation"
02:30 This effects the Church and starts persecution of the Church.
03:25 The necessity of the 10 commandments in the town square to support a free society.
03:56 Where is the line for christians to respect government authority?
05:19 There is nothing that belongs to Cezar.
05:36 Can government commit a crime?
05:50 Ahab and Jezibel confiscating a vineyard.
07:20 Can the state murder?
07:41 5th Ammendment - allows for confiscation of property.
09:05 Supreme Court decision changed "public use" to include whatever increases tax revenues.
10:00 Real Estate crash is part of the wrath of God.
10:15 Stalin
12:00 Iraq was at one time green.
12:38 Christians should never revolt - but stand firm and be persecuted.
12:56 Mark of the beast.
15:05 When do you not pay taxes or get rid of your SSN?
16:49 2 Samuel - the time of the judges, led by God. No capital, no head to cut off.
21:00 Churches want the tithe for the storehouse, but that has been subverted by government.
21:35 Three tithes in the Bible.
22:12 Moral tax rate is 13% and no more.
22:40 What is the "church" today?
23:00 501C3 tax protection racket corrupts the church.
24:00 Who is the Church?
24:30 What is the tithe?
25:00 Mission trip in TIbolisi, Georgia - example of lost church.
25:57 Persecution for the church in the US is comming.
26:13 There is moral authority for the state to impose up to 13% flat tax only.
26:49 Hong Kong has done this. Look at the results.
27:00 SSN Crash, Ecconomic vitality proposal. What is comming financially.
28:25 How to privatze the SSN system.

More of this interview comming in our next podcast...